Originally posted by abhilegend
Right.
How does any of that validate your previous incorrect statement? 😕
You stated that Namor has always been class 100.
I then demonstrated through scans that as far as Marvel are concerned that is not the case.
Namor is a powerful character. However hes not top tier Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel level and thats not debatable.
Hes powerful and skilled enough to hold his own temporarily against one of these stronger characters, but their superior strength class would lead them to eventually dominate.
I dont get why thats so hard to accept? 😕
The strength class system shouldnt be taken literally in terms of the maximum tons a character can lift. As when Marvel had Namor as class 75 and later class 85 he had clearly demonstrated he was capable of lifting more tons than those figures would have you believe. However the classifications are useful as an indicator of how Marvel views the comparative strength levels between characters. As far as Marvel are concerned, Namor is not top tier.
It is what it is 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How does any of that validate your previous incorrect statement? 😕You stated that Namor has always been class 100.
I then demonstrated through scans that as far as Marvel are concerned that is not the case.
Namor is a powerful character. However hes not top tier Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel level and thats not debatable.
He has two clean wins against Hulk and has been shown as dead equal to Immortal Hercules.
How is that below Thor/Hercules level?
Hes powerful and skilled enough to hold his own temporarily against one of these stronger characters, but their superior strength class would lead them to eventually dominate.
Except no, he has legitimate wins over the Hulk. Twice.
I dont get why thats so hard to accept? 😕
The strength class system shouldnt be taken literally in terms of the maximum tons a character can lift. As when Marvel had Namor as class 75 and later class 85 he had clearly demonstrated he was capable of lifting more tons than those figures would have you believe. However the classifications are useful as an indicator of how Marvel views the comparative strength levels between characters. As far as Marvel are concerned, Namor is not top tier.
It is what it is 👆
You're confused by your own words it seems. Namor has two wins over Hulk in 60s. Is that the time where he is supposed to be less than class 100?
Originally posted by abhilegend
He has two clean wins against Hulk and has been shown as dead equal to Immortal Hercules.How is that below Thor/Hercules level?
Except no, he has legitimate wins over the Hulk. Twice.
You're confused by your own words it seems. Namor has two wins over Hulk in 60s. Is that the time where he is supposed to be less than class 100?
Under what circumstances though?
Namor was capitalising on his other abilities such as flight to allow him to hold his own against a stronger opponent 😉
The comparison here is strength and strength alone. You displaying scans of him fighting underwater in his element or flying around fighting against air breathing, land restricted opponents does not prove your point.
In terms of on panel feats of lifting weight, Namor is simply not as strong as those on the top tier.
That does not mean he cannot beat or go toe to toe with physically superior characters in a fight as your scans demonstrate. But in terms of pure physical strength he just aint cutting it. Know the difference.
Next you'll be telling me Spidermans in the same strength class as Rhino cos he whups that ass.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Under what circumstances though?Namor was capitalising on his other abilities such as flight to allow him to hold his own against a stronger opponent 😉
The comparison here is [B]strength and strength alone.
You displaying scans of him fighting underwater in his element or flying around fighting against air breathing, land restricted opponents does not prove your point.
Hulk is actually given a drug which allows him to breath underwater. Namor still koed him.
Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
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Next time it's actually on land and Namor never looked weaker than Hulk.
Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052b.jpg
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In terms of on panel feats of lifting weight, Namor is simply not as strong as those on the top tier.That does not mean he cannot beat or go toe to toe with physically superior characters in a fight as your scans demonstrate. But in terms of pure physically strength he just aint cutting it. Know the difference.
Except no, it's never about lifting feats to show who is stronger.
Next you'll be telling me Spidermans in the same strength class as Rhino cos he whups that ass. [/B]
Rhino has beaten Spidey much more than vice versa.
Namor goes punch to punch with the Hulk. Spider-Man never does that against Rhino.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk is actually given a drug which allows him to breath underwater. Namor still koed him.Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118c.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118e.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118f.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118g.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118h.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118i.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118j.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118k.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118l.jpgNext time it's actually on land and Namor never looked weaker than Hulk.
Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052c.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052e.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052f.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052g.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052h.jpgExcept no, it's never about lifting feats to show who is stronger.
Rhino has beaten Spidey much more than vice versa.
Namor goes punch to punch with the Hulk. Spider-Man never does that against Rhino.
My points in my previous post seem to have gone completely over your head.
However they still stand 😉
Both battles demonstrate Namor capitalising on his other abilities in order to hold his own against physically stronger opponents.
Did the pill Hulk took also give him enhanced swimming speed and underwater agility? 😕
In the second fight Namor is flying and using his ability to generate electricity.
None of these scans prove your point and only serve to strengthen mine.
This thread is about comparative strength levels. NOT who would win in a fight.
Adapt your strategy 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My points in my previous post seem to have gone completely over your head.
However they still stand 😉Both battles demonstrate Namor capitalising on his other abilities in order to hold his own against physically stronger opponents.
Did the pill Hulk took also give him enhanced swimming speed and underwater agility? 😕
How does that matter when Namor and Hulk simply collided and Hulk was koed?
In the second fight Namor is flying and using his ability to generate electricity.
None of these scans prove your point and only serve to strengthen mine.
If your point is to show Hulk stronger than Namor, you failed spectacularly.
Bravo.
This thread is about comparative strength levels. NOT who would win in a fight.
Adapt your strategy 👆
😂
Namor koed hulk straight up, how many sub class 100 characters have done that?
Originally posted by abhilegend
How does that matter when Namor and Hulk simply collided and Hulk was koed?If your point is to show Hulk stronger than Namor, you failed spectacularly.
Bravo.
😂
Namor koed hulk straight up, how many sub class 100 characters have done that?
Again the point seems to completely escape you.
How does the ability to KO someone equate to being physically stronger or on par?
A female could KO a much larger and stronger male with a well placed punch.
This is a thread about comparative strength levels my friend it is not the average KMC thread about who would win in a fight. Once again adjust your debating strategy. Its kinda one trick pony 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again the point seems to completely escape you.How does the ability to KO someone equate to being physically stronger or on par?
Because it does?
A female could KO a much larger and stronger male with a well placed punch.
This isn't boxing. Namor and Hulk collided and Hulk was koed.
This does not makes Namor stronger but it is a solid class 100 feat.
This is a thread about comparative strength levels my friend it is not the average KMC thread about who would win in a fight. Once again adjust your debating strategy. Its kinda one trick pony 😬
I like how knocking someone out is not a strength feat.
Stay in Phoenix threads. This is not for you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it does?This isn't boxing. Namor and Hulk collided and Hulk was koed.
This does not makes Namor stronger but it is a solid class 100 feat.
I like how knocking someone out is not a strength feat.
Stay in Phoenix threads. This is not for you.
What im presenting here isnt rocket science and is easy for objective minds to come to terms with and therein lies the problem 😱
I should not have to explain to anyone why knocking someone out is not a demonstration or indicator of that person being stronger or on par with the victim.
It can simply be an issue of placement.
I will dip in and out of any thread that takes my interest and out debate your ass all over the forum. Class 100 here. Youre more street level 😉
fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though. herc actually accomplished a feat underwater that namor couldn't when he overcame a repulsive force. that showed conclusively herc was stronger, even underwater than namor, but namor would win a heavy majority against herc if they fought underwater.
Originally posted by leonidas
fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though. herc actually accomplished a feat underwater that namor couldn't when he overcame a repulsive force. that showed conclusively herc was stronger, even underwater than namor, but namor would win a heavy majority against herc if they fought underwater.
Lovely. Common sense prevails. Team Leonidas all day everyday 😄 👆
Originally posted by leonidasI agree. Just because your strong don't mean you'll be a good fighter.
fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though. herc actually accomplished a feat underwater that namor couldn't when he overcame a repulsive force. that showed conclusively herc was stronger, even underwater than namor, but namor would win a heavy majority against herc if they fought underwater.
