Boba Fett or Cad Bane

Started by One Big Mob10 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what? Do you think s going rogue and just being crazy.

The ig didn’t make Thanos invulnerable to attacks. The film clearly says it is capable of killing him. Quit with your comic nonsense the films are entirely different. I doubt you’ve even seen the film. Thanos prevailed. That’s what happened.

No, Yoda didn’t. I guess that one force lightning blast suggests something to you which is ridiculous. I guess you’re a feat guy forget everything else because let’s just obsess over your subjective feat interpretations.

They have already given us comparisons to make it clear he’s extremely powerful. He overpowered Rey someone Luke was scared of her raw strength. Luke Skywalker is someone Sidious even said was powerful enough to destroy him. Snoke is the top dog whether you want to admit it or not.

He can say whatever he wants about his character as long as he's not spoiling the movie. He doesn't have the ability to canonize anything.

Was just wondering if you agreed with Thor having the power to kill fp IG Thanos? Glad you agree with it.

The feat guy with subjective interpretations... come on Quan. You champion every bad guy of the film you like. 😬

Luke was scared of her raw potential and ability to fall to the darkside, not her actual current power. He just had someone with the same potential turn on him. Same with Sidious with Luke and his Skywalker blood, and we saw Sidious in a direct faceoff blast the shit out of Luke. Just like Snoke was so worried about Luke's ability to make the Jedi rise again. None of those have any relation to current power standings.

Maybe that will change in the future but right now you can't say with fact that Snoke is more powerful in canon. And The Novel is more canon than an interview from Serkis, so Disney has to pull out something to prove it. Nothing is stopping them from putting it in anything they print though, but they haven't.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
He can say whatever he wants about his character as long as he's not spoiling the movie. He doesn't have the ability to canonize anything.

Was just wondering if you agreed with Thor having the power to kill fp IG Thanos? Glad you agree with it.

The feat guy with subjective interpretations... come on Quan. You champion every bad guy of the film you like. 😬

Luke was scared of her raw potential and ability to fall to the darkside, not her actual current power. He just had someone with the same potential turn on him. Same with Sidious with Luke and his Skywalker blood, and we saw Sidious in a direct faceoff blast the shit out of Luke. Just like Snoke was so worried about Luke's ability to make the Jedi rise again. None of those have any relation to current power standings.

Maybe that will change in the future but right now you can't say with fact that Snoke is more powerful in canon. And The Novel is more canon than an interview from Serkis, so Disney has to pull out something to prove it. Nothing is stopping them from putting it in anything they print though, but they haven't.

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Originally posted by One Big Mob
He can say whatever he wants about his character as long as he's not spoiling the movie. He doesn't have the ability to canonize anything.

I didn’t say he has the ability to make something canon I said this is just another piece of information available to us to reach the same inevitable conclusion. We don’t always get declarative statements in the films as the filmmakers only care about the scene not battleboard nerds.


Was just wondering if you agreed with Thor having the power to kill fp IG Thanos? Glad you agree with it.
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I never ignore the facts. The point was always the weapon the dwarf created was powerful enough to kill Thanos. Thanos still had the same durability and strength outside the ig. It didn’t function at all like the ig of the comics. Thanos was also caught off guard but still survived his vicious axe attack which shows how durable and resilient he is. He overcame all of the avengers and faced true adversity which demonstrates his true resolve and unmatchable willpower since he was able to be killed.


The feat guy with subjective interpretations... come on Quan. You champion every bad guy of the film you like. 😬

Luke was scared of her raw potential and ability to fall to the darkside, not her actual current power. He just had someone with the same potential turn on him. Same with Sidious with Luke and his Skywalker blood, and we saw Sidious in a direct faceoff blast the shit out of Luke. Just like Snoke was so worried about Luke's ability to make the Jedi rise again. None of those have any relation to current power standings.

Maybe that will change in the future but right now you can't say with fact that Snoke is more powerful in canon. And The Novel is more canon than an interview from Serkis, so Disney has to pull out something to prove it. Nothing is stopping them from putting it in anything they print though, but they haven't. [/B]

I also debate based on how they match up not just on exclusive feats alone.

We see her actual raw power up against Luke and he lost his balance. She was quite impressive and he actively fought back while using the force. Both Rey and Kylo had pure raw power both confirmed by the characters in the films such as Snoke and Luke. They had power in spades.

Yes, we see Sidious blast him down when he refused to fight. The same can’t be said of Rey. She actively resisted Snoke through her force powers and a lightsaber. Luke just pleaded for his father to help and didn’t actively make a play for his saber or anything remotely similar to Rey’s actions. Luke had the power to be able to destroy Sidious as per his own words but if the guy doesn’t fight back he definitely gets beaten. Vader has to force him to fight back which resulted in Vader’s humiliation.

I can say it’s pretty obvious. I’ve listed the reasoning why but it just doesn’t make sense at all that Sidious is the most powerful when that’s never been the case. He was always Yoda’s equal. Sidious even marveled at his apprentices power over his own which never came to pass.

Just to make this easier for myself, your points are

1. Snoke's feats are unquantifiable.
2. He's only powerful in psionics

Alright, fine. I'll give you this: There is no reason to believe that Snoke's raw power is necessarily greater than that of Palpatine, because his feats can't be measured against Palpatine's (or most other characters).

But that's all I'll give you, because we've never been shown Snoke's upper limit, and he does have powers which are superior to Palpatine. We see this when he contacted Palpatine from the Unknown Regions. If he was to get into a duel, he would win, though his raw power is questionable. This is not the same case with Ezra.

Snoke still remains the most capable force user, or at least would have been before he was hindered with his injuries. And he's still ONE of the most powerful in the mythos.

There's really no reason to think that he's more specialized in psionics than in other fields. Most force users don't do that kind of thing, the standard is being equal in your TK, TP, and energy based powers across the board, and then having some more obscure powers be weaker/stronger than the rest.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm sure you have actual evidence to substantiate this claim?

Luke couldn't cause matter to transport when he projected himself, and it killed him, whereas Snoke did it without threat of his survival.

Wait, so one good TK feat puts Rey on par with the noteworthy PT-era Jedi/Sith overall?

Well, yeah. How many jedi or sith would have been able to do that?

You think the likes of Kenobi, or Mace, or Dooku would have struggled with the Praetorian Guards as much as Rey and Kylo did..?

I don't know. We don't know how powerful the guards are.

Seems like you're just [desperately] digging for reasons to try and make Rey seem more powerful than she actually was, just so you argue that Snoke was also more powerful by proxy.

I'm not. I truly think the creators wanted Rey to be that powerful.

If you're asking for clarification, then you're not ready to hear it, tbh.

humor me 🙂

I really don’t understand why you’re still on Snoke, better yet why in this thread.

He ran Luke off? Wow, so impressive. Luke wasn’t even as powerful as Kyle or Rey. He was no where near his Fathers power Darth Vader.

Mace in legends destroyed a huge droid army by himself, owned legends grievous. Vader owned every single imperial knight.

Als9 yes we do know how powerful the preatorians were, they were trained to kill Luke and were completely loyal to Snoke. They had special armor with a type of current running though it which caused them to be in a state of extreme pain. It was totally impervious to blasters and could take a glancing light saber hit but a direct hit.

Idk why anyone is debating quan lol...he’s so full of crap he must double as a public toilet

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
I really don’t understand why you’re still on Snoke, better yet why in this thread.

He ran Luke off? Wow, so impressive. Luke wasn’t even as powerful as Kyle or Rey. He was no where near his Fathers power Darth Vader.

Mace in legends destroyed a huge droid army by himself, owned legends grievous. Vader owned every single imperial knight.

Als9 yes we do know how powerful the preatorians were, they were trained to kill Luke and were completely loyal to Snoke. They had special armor with a type of current running though it which caused them to be in a state of extreme pain. It was totally impervious to blasters and could take a glancing light saber hit but a direct hit.

Luke was more powerful than Rey and Kylo not to the extent Snomewas but still. I’m sure your mommy didn’t explain to you what was happening during the film when you sat in the front row by yourself.

Luke was far more powerful than Vader in Roth when he summarily destroyed him in combat. Legends isn’t canon it’s trash. Disney destroyed the nonsense and I’m loving it. Cry fanboy cry.

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Idk why anyone is debating quan lol...he’s so full of crap he must double as a public toilet
Irony since you just responded, galan jr.

Originally posted by Quan
Feats don’t nor have they ever proven who is superior to someone else. They are just exclusive feat. What does is how the powerful force users compare to each other.

LMAO

Originally posted by Quan
Serkis Star,ted he’s more powerful.

You're so full of shit LOL

Explain to me again your TROLL Logic, how when Sam Witwer outright says Vader would stomp Maul, that doesnt count. But when Snoke makes a vague comment on power which is clearly his own opinion, then thats somehow Canon?!

This is why you're the biggest moron here.

Originally posted by Quan
Like Skywalker marveled at Rey’s strength he didn’t say she’s some padawan loser. That’s just effeminate males upset that Snoke truly is power personified. Overpowering Rey which Kylo was unable to do to acquire her information and with ease is one helluva feat.

Yeah so?

Qui-Gon Marveled at Anakins power in TPM. Does that mean he was already a Knight? LMAO

Rematch the original 6 movies, so you actually know something about Star Wars, and so you actually understand why fans are complaining about Disney screwing it up.

Of course Snokes Force knowledge and Mastery is greater than Kylos. Why else would Kylo be his apprentice?

But Snoke is clearly deformed and useless in a Saber fight (as far as we know). Hence the need for his guards for protection from Kylo.

Originally posted by Quan
Snoke’s power is undeniable. The manner in which assiduous is killed is pitiful. He screamed and couldn’t overpower his one handed apprentice. Vader is weak as **** too.

LMAO No you just bandwagon onto the wrong villain. Because you actually Hate the Original Star Wars, so were desperate for a villain > Vader and Palpatine.

But I told you from day 1 Disney won't give you that because they cock suck the OT to no end.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
LMAO

You're so full of shit LOL

Explain to me again your TROLL Logic, how when Sam Witwer outright says Vader would stomp Maul, that doesnt count. But when Snoke makes a vague comment on power which is clearly his own opinion, then thats somehow Canon?!

This is why you're the biggest moron here.

I didn’t say this alone was proof I just said when added up with how he appeared on film makes complete sense. You’re also comparing Maul past his prime to Vader. Maul ended up losing to Kenobi and I accepted he’s past his prime. You’re the one who flipped out and couldn’t accept what the story presented us with.

You’re emotional and downright retarded as per the norm.


Yeah so?

Qui-Gon Marveled at Anakins power in TPM. Does that mean he was already a Knight? LMAO

Rematch the original 6 movies, so you actually know something about Star Wars, and so you actually understand why fans are complaining about Disney screwing it up.

Of course Snokes Force knowledge and Mastery is greater than Kylos. Why else would Kylo be his apprentice?[/B]

Anakin had no training and hadn’t done anything on screen. He also wasn’t the same age as Rey was. Rey already resisted Kylo’s power on screen.

Disney makes the canon now so you crying about new factual data is just you crying like a ***** over something you won’t accept. This is how you’ve always been.

Snoke’s is so much higher it’s behind impressive since Sidious never showed such a greater disparity to even Vader on screen.


But Snoke is clearly deformed and useless in a Saber fight (as far as we know). Hence the need for his guards for protection from Kylo.

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We do not know. Quit assuming because we already see his powers were enough without the use of guards to stop Kylo Ren. He had his same guards present when Rey was in the room. They were always by his side but every powerful dictator has guards so this isn’t something new. Sidious also used guards. Snoke also dismissed Rey without the use of his guards via his force powers, kiddo.


LMAO No you just bandwagon onto the wrong villain. Because you actually Hate the Original Star Wars, so were desperate for a villain > Vader and Palpatine.

But I told you from day 1 Disney won't give you that because they cock suck the OT to no end. [/B]

Snoke already proved he was more powerful than Sidious and Vader which the voice actor also confirmed. Kylo also achieved far more than Vaderin two films.

They already shat all over the Death Star, the empire, etc. in two films as the First Order, Snoke, and Kylo Ren are their superiors in every manner. More powerful, better tech, better weapons of mass destruction, better capabilities, etc.

Snoke is truly the greatest and I told you so you retard. You kept telling me about Luke being so great how did that turn out you retard. He’s also from the ot you dim witted baboon. 😂 😂

Originally posted by Trollster
I didn’t say this alone was proof I just said when added up with how he appeared on film makes complete sense. You’re also comparing Maul past his prime to Vader. Maul ended up losing to Kenobi and I accepted he’s past his prime. You’re the one who flipped out and couldn’t accept what the story presented us with.

You’re emotional and downright retarded as per the norm.

LOL You have serious reading comprehension.

No one mentioned anything about Maul being past his prime.

I'm pointing out your utter idiocy, in wanting to take Serkis opinion as some kind of fact, yet you wanted to completely IGNORE Witwer's more direct comments about Vader trashing Maul.

I'm sure your IQ lowers every day 😂

I've been telling you for years to go back to school and actually learn to read.

Originally posted by Trollster
Anakin had no training and hadn’t done anything on screen. He also wasn’t the same age as Rey was. Rey already resisted Kylo’s power on screen.

Disney makes the canon now so you crying about new factual data is just you crying like a ***** over something you won’t accept. This is how you’ve always been.

Snoke’s is so much higher it’s behind impressive since Sidious never showed such a greater disparity to even Vader on screen.

Ah so you admit without any training Anakin couldn't do shit?

Look at the double retardedness already tripping himself up 😂

Yes and the Prequels are canon to Disney Canon. You are owned again. Like I said go rewatch the original six films so that you might actually learn something about Star Wars.

You only jumped wagon thinking Disney will make the franchise bigger than Marvel, but then you jumped onto the wrong films and the wrong villain 😂 Oh Quan, always the loser.

Snoke hasn't shown anything. Except how to get easily killed by his own apprentice.

Originally posted by Trollster
We do not know. Quit assuming because we already see his powers were enough without the use of guards to stop Kylo Ren. He had his same guards present when Rey was in the room. They were always by his side but every powerful dictator has guards so this isn’t something new. Sidious also used guards. Snoke also dismissed Rey without the use of his guards via his force powers, kiddo.

We must assume actually, because Snoke showed no impressive power whatsoever. All we know is that his knowledge of the Force is greater than Kylo Ren's.

Nope. Wrong. Palatine was completely comfortable being in a room alone with all his apprentices. Why? Because he knew they had no good shot of killing him.

Smoke never had the guts to face Kylo alone.

No amount of whining from you is going to change these simple facts. Smoke has proven nothing. Go home loser.

Originally posted by Trollster
Snoke already proved he was more powerful than Sidious and Vader which the voice actor also confirmed. Kylo also achieved far more than Vaderin two films.

They already shat all over the Death Star, the empire, etc. in two films as the First Order, Snoke, and Kylo Ren are their superiors in every manner. More powerful, better tech, better weapons of mass destruction, better capabilities, etc.

Snoke is truly the greatest and I told you so you retard. You kept telling me about Luke being so great how did that turn out you retard. He’s also from the ot you dim witted baboon. laughing out loud laughing out loud

Wow you're in full retard mode today.

You already denied Maul's voice actors comments on Maul vs Vader. You don't get to pick and choose which Voice Actor comments are canon and which are not.

You chose your arguments poorly in the past and now you're mentally suffering for them 😆

Urm, Luke was far greater than Snoke.

Kylo made a foo out of Snoke, then Luke made a fool out of Kylo. You do the math.

You can do math right Quan? I mean I get you didn't quite finish school. So I have my doubts.

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
I really don’t understand why you’re still on Snoke, better yet why in this thread.

He ran Luke off? Wow, so impressive. Luke wasn’t even as powerful as Kyle or Rey. He was no where near his Fathers power Darth Vader.

Mace in legends destroyed a huge droid army by himself, owned legends grievous. Vader owned every single imperial knight.

Als9 yes we do know how powerful the preatorians were, they were trained to kill Luke and were completely loyal to Snoke. They had special armor with a type of current running though it which caused them to be in a state of extreme pain. It was totally impervious to blasters and could take a glancing light saber hit but a direct hit.

I'm not giving up when I believe I'm right. Just enjoy the debate. Until then, I guess, I'll tell you that I think Boba's far superior to Bane.

Oh, and Luke wasn't as powerful as Kylo or Rey? What about him creating a force projection that would "kill" Rey if she attempted to do it? (And I know it hurt him as well, but not to the extent that it should have. He died because it was his time to go). And before you mention the time Rey fought Luke, it was obvious he didn't resist towards the end. And in his prime, he was just as powerful as Darth Vader. So, yeah. Being more powerful than Luke is a VERY big deal.

Yeah, we know the Preaoritans' armaments, but who could they defeat? How hard would it be for a jedi or sith to defeat them?

And this is canon, so you bringing up legends is pointless. No one in canon is NEARLY as powerful as their legends incarnation.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
LOL You have serious reading comprehension.

No one mentioned anything about Maul being past his prime.

I'm pointing out your utter idiocy, in wanting to take Serkis opinion as some kind of fact, yet you wanted to completely IGNORE Witwer's more direct comments about Vader trashing Maul.

I'm sure your IQ lowers every day 😂

I've been telling you for years to go back to school and actually learn to read.

Well I’m explaining the difference between comparing an apex Maul to an an apex Vader which has never even been the suit. Maul from TPM would destroy Vader in the suit. Lucas was quite clear he’d show us what the Jedi were capable of in their primes.

I am not wanting Serkis’ opinion alone to dictate the facts I used it as another source along with film facts to add the equation up to reach its inevitable conclusion. I heard Star Wars retards saying Snoke was Dooku’s level. The bias from the Star Wars retards is always running rampant here due to agendas, etc. completely devoid of the facts and objectivity.

Witwer’s opinion only refers to a well past his prime broken Maul. So don’t take my comments out of context and apply them here as I’ve explained myself again.


Ah so you admit without any training Anakin couldn't do shit?

Look at the double retardedness already tripping himself up 😂
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Entirely different situation comparing adolescent kid Anakin to adult Rey. No, since Snoke made it clear her power rose to balance out the force. There was no explanation given for Anakin other than he had the highest midichlorian count recorded. She also had training from Luke Skywalker prior to her interaction with Snoke. Try and process that their are differences here as I pointed out it your narrow minded retardation you know Star Wars and can ignore facts and be as moronic as humanly possible at every turn to re-enforce your own bias.


Yes and the Prequels are canon to Disney Canon. You are owned again. Like I said go rewatch the original six films so that you might actually learn something about Star Wars.

You only jumped wagon thinking Disney will make the franchise bigger than Marvel, but then you jumped onto the wrong films and the wrong villain 😂 Oh Quan, always the loser.
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Nothing I have said has contradicted established canon.

No, I don’t care what is bigger but I was always a marvel comics fan growing up I didn’t grow up adoring Star Wars. I was always the biggest Thanos fan since I first laid eyes on the character. Thanos would slap the dogshit out of Star Wars, any other MCU character, etc. He’s truly supreme and he as a villain makes Vader look like a complete *****.

I love the Last Jedi and Snoke is by far my favorite Star Wars character. He is something I knew I loved from the sound of his voice from the commercials before even seeing the film. I was right as rain. You don’t care for him that’s fine but this isn’t about backing anyone it’s about being honest with my preferences as I have always been. You however turn this into something sick and gross and are so out of touch with reality you create false equivalencies and cannot be objective when discussing anything Star Wars related.


Snoke hasn't shown anything. Except how to get easily killed by his own apprentice.
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See it is retarded statements like that which shows you can’t be reasoned with you’re basically retarded. You’re not honest and you’re so full of shit it’s clouded your judgment. I unlike you am completely objective which coincides with the Last Jedi facts and Serkis’ comments along with common sense with how Disney approaches their new trilogy.


We must assume actually, because Snoke showed no impressive power whatsoever. All we know is that his knowledge of the Force is greater than Kylo Ren's.

Nope. Wrong. Palatine was completely comfortable being in a room alone with all his apprentices. Why? Because he knew they had no good shot of killing him.

Smoke never had the guts to face Kylo alone.

No amount of whining from you is going to change these simple facts. Smoke has proven nothing. Go home loser.

[/B][QUOTE]So now easily overpowering Rey isn’t impressive because you say so despite the obvious. We know his knowledge and power is greater as evidenced by his interactions with Rey and Kylo. He vastly outclassed them both. Rey is Kylo’s equal in power not knowledge you despicable little turd.

Palpatine ended up being killed by a one armed apprentice so he was wrong. He couldn’t even stop his one armed just recently defeated apprentice. Beating on Luke who didn’t actively fight back isn’t impressive at all, retard.

Snoke did face Kylo alone. He didn’t need any guards to put him down. By your same logic he didn’t face Rey alone either since they stood by and watched as he summarily dismissed her and her power.

You’re so emotional and bent out of shape I love it.

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Wow you're in full retard mode today.

You already denied Maul's voice actors comments on Maul vs Vader. You don't get to pick and choose which Voice Actor comments are canon and which are not.

You chose your arguments poorly in the past and now you're mentally suffering for them 😆

Urm, Luke was far greater than Snoke.

Kylo made a foo out of Snoke, then Luke made a fool out of Kylo. You do the math.

You can do math right Quan? I mean I get you didn't quite finish school. So I have my doubts. [/B]

No, I said that’s fine to be considered. Maul was well past his prime at that point and I never said voice actors comments are canon they are just something to be considered. Pay attention to what I say not what your retard t]brain thinks I say.

Nah.

Luke was far weaker as evidenced by his years out of connection with the force, his weakness to engage the enemy, his defeat by Ben Solo straight up, and him faltering to Rey in combat. Lucky for him she stopped.

No, Snoke was dominant in an actual fight Luke lost an actual fight against Solo. He tricked him but died himself in the act. Kind of weak if you ask me.

Luke wanted death and he got his wish like the cowardly ***** I always told you he was. **** yes I enjoy your Luke tears you fanboy.

Quan canon says Vader held back you dipshit lol. Canon also has Vader lifting up AT walkers, etc.

You’re an utter ****ing buffoon 😆 Luke was such a weakling he lost to Rey. End of story.

Originally posted by Zentrex
I'm not giving up when I believe I'm right. Just enjoy the debate. Until then, I guess, I'll tell you that I think Boba's far superior to Bane.

Oh, and Luke wasn't as powerful as Kylo or Rey? What about him creating a force projection that would "kill" Rey if she attempted to do it? (And I know it hurt him as well, but not to the extent that it should have. He died because it was his time to go). And before you mention the time Rey fought Luke, it was obvious he didn't resist towards the end. And in his prime, he was just as powerful as Darth Vader. So, yeah. Being more powerful than Luke is a VERY big deal.

Yeah, we know the Preaoritans' armaments, but who could they defeat? How hard would it be for a jedi or sith to defeat them?

And this is canon, so you bringing up legends is pointless. No one in canon is NEARLY as powerful as their legends incarnation.

I’m legends I’m sure he is, in canon I don’t see it.

He died cause it was his time to go? Where does it say that? He went out rather pathetically. Where was he ever as powerful as Vader? Give an example.

Obviously rey n kylo defeated them but one on one they would have died. I doubt Vader would have had the problem rey or kylo did, he’d just force choke them etc.

Vader lifting AT walkers, smacking around imperial guards, etc is in the newest Vader comic lol....

Obviously windu in current canon was an utter shadow of his legends power.

Quans always I’m full retard mode, guy has 💩 for brains

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Quan canon says Vader held back you dipshit lol. Canon also has Vader lifting up AT walkers, etc.

You’re an utter ****ing buffoon 😆 Luke was such a weakling he lost to Rey. End of story.

So you are all over the map here, tardo. Let’s try to focus what does lifting an At At up in the air have to do with losing to Luke. Nothing. Luke wasn’t weak she was just powerful and caught him off guard.

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Quans always I’m full retard mode, guy has 💩 for brains
You are so easily riled up. You’re weak.

Nah I just don’t respect you lol or find you worth my time

Weak on a forum 😆

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Nah I just don’t respect you lol or find you worth my time

Weak on a forum 😆

You are the same nitwit who not only responds but you’ve pmed me as well. You’re a loser and will always be one but you’re also an extremely dumb loser. You don’t stand out in any way and couldn’t think your way out of a paper bag.