Originally posted by One Big Mob
In his case it's because he weighs over 300 pounds and doesn't lack mobility. He probably hits like a ***** for his size.We've seen Eddie Hall who is stronger than Thor in every way in boxing matches and outside of push punches, he doesn't seem to have terrific power.
You are comparing humans to humans. Where technique is still enough to overcome strength advantages because the strength advantages aren't big enough.
A bear with a casual swipe and using barely any leverage hits harder than any boxer. And not a huge bear either, even a 300 lb one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They can increase their striking power via skills.
Yes, via skills and the right equipment.
Even without weapons of any kind or strength-boosting suits, Cap and Bats both have pretty tough gloves... in Bruce's case, it was specifically stated on panel they prevented his hand bones from getting shattered when striking Superman.
Sure, one could argue it's not how kevlar is supposed to work and all, but - again - we're talking about comics here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Now somehow Superman has a skill that decreases his strength whenever he hits someone.
As stupid as it is, most bricks and herald characters suffer from that... "condition".
Originally posted by CosmicCometDarksaint is actually. I'm well aware comics don't follow the rules of real life, but he tried to relate it to Thor. Someone who only hits hard maybe because of his weight.
You are comparing humans to humans. Where technique is still enough to overcome strength advantages because the strength advantages aren't big enough.A bear with a casual swipe and using barely any leverage hits harder than any boxer. And not a huge bear either, even a 300 lb one.
Also do you think it's the bears pure strength alone that allows it to strike that hard, or do you think it the case that the bears much like a human boxer has best learned how to throw a strike? Being able to snap that much weight in an arm at high speeds along with an amazing core would make sense of how hard they can hit. Plus the size of the striking area as well.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, via skills and the right equipment.Even without weapons of any kind or strength-boosting suits, Cap and Bats both have pretty tough gloves... in Bruce's case, it was specifically stated on panel they prevented his hand bones from getting shattered when striking Superman.
Sure, one could argue it's not how kevlar is supposed to work and all, but - again - we're talking about comics here.
As stupid as it is, most bricks and herald characters suffer from that... "condition".
"it was specifically stated on panel they prevented his hand bones from getting shattered when striking Superman.
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where?
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
sure, what high feats?warworld IIRC was the size of a small planet, not fairly impressive.
Maybe not to you, but now the onus is on you to show J'onn or Diana or other Leaguers doing something more impressive.
And don't forget, we do account for things like PIS in battles.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Also do you think it's the bears pure strength alone that allows it to strike that hard, or do you think it the case that the bears much like a human boxer has best learned how to throw a strike? Being able to snap that much weight in an arm at high speeds along with an amazing core would make sense of how hard they can hit. Plus the size of the striking area as well.
Being able to snap that much weight in arm at high speeds is precisely because it has the musculature to do so.
Bears don't have to learn to throw. They just throw. So even a 300 lb black bear can damage a car's wind shield with a single strike without having to wind up and use its full weight.
Technique has limits, strength doesn't.
Originally posted by CosmicCometThe muscle required to do so is not in anyway comparable with Darksaint's example though. Which is my point.
Being able to snap that much weight in arm at high speeds is precisely because it has the musculature to do so.Bears don't have to learn to throw. They just throw. So even a 300 lb black bear can damage a car's wind shield with a single strike without having to wind up and use its full weight.
Technique has limits, strength doesn't.
A bear would be able to hit the same impact force regardless of whether it could deadlift, log press, squat, or yoke walk vastly more or less than what it currently could do. Maybe the yoke walk would help actually.
Also a bear arm weighs a ****ton as well. So any sort of momentum it makes accounts for impact force. If a human had a bear arm and paw it would also be ****ing shit completely up with little movements.
A bear throws so hard not because it can lift the most things, but because it can move its body perfectly. The muscles required for that are not consistent with using Eddie Halls and Thors, people who can only punch probably hard because of their weight.
Something like bench pressing and deadlifting has no huge real world carry over to punching power. Which is what the lifting feats are supposed to entail. But comics don't work like that. You could make a case that Superman's muscles all get stronger when he lifts and he learns to move better and recruit more core/snap as he gets stronger, but it's best just to leave out real world logic imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
What you're talking about is PIS. He can't kill Batman because the plot demands he doesn't.And besides, why are THOSE feats your barometer, and not ones like him pushing Warworld, or benching Earth for days, or pulling Darkseid out of the source wall?
I noticed that!
He is using some really low-ball showings (‘only’ cracking Bruce’s bones and bruising a lung) and ignoring the fairly consistent track record of feats that show Superman having top-tier strength.
Baziemarc123 is simply another pro-Marvel/anti-DC troll that is so blinded by his/her/its one-dimensional hate that he/she/it often doesn’t even realize how ridiculous his/her/its ‘debating’ abilities are.
This is why I don’t like fanboys - be they the usual silly pro-Marvel/anti-DC like BizMarkie (or whatever his name is) and others like him, or pro-DC/anti-Marvel (who I actually find to be less stupid since they at least try to pretend they don’t have bias). They are all so biased they don’t see how silly their posts are.
As for strength - in the JLA, Superman has been consistently shown as the strongest (I’ll repeat it again for BizMarkie123 ...strongest as in strength) member of the JLA.
It is that simple, and his question was strongest. The answer is Superman.
Now, is he the most powerful? Is he the fastest? Is he the most adept at fighting? Does he has the greatest durability? Does he have the greatest energy output?
The answer is no.
The JLA is filled with beings that (if DC decided to give them their real due could) have greater power than Superman.
But strength? Easily - Superman!
Originally posted by leonidasI can't believe people still engage him, tbh.
not blinded at all, purposeful. lol and he sustains engagements somehow, as though arguing against him will in someway change his stance. i am disappoint in my fellow kmc'ers. 🙁
He is obviously trolling and baiting.
I lol'd at Pr's post:
Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, try to keep the goading to a minimum, thanks.
When that's what this thread literally is..
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
He overpowered Eloganated powers.Next.
Not sure what "Eloganated" powers are, but, just seeing this "E" word reminded me of Plastic Man and what is arguably his greatest aristeia.
Eel O'Brien versus J'onn J'onnz
aka Fernus ... the Burning
Doubtless there were other powers displayed EARLIER that COULD have been used had his opponent chosen to do so, but, if the following ISN'T an instance of Superman's physical strength being overcome and Superman simply walked over, I'd like to know what it is ...
Source: JLA Trial by Fire (JLA #s 85-89)
Circa: 2003
