Not sure what "Eloganated" powers are, but, just seeing this "E" word reminded me of Plastic Man and what is arguably his greatest aristeia.
Eel O'Brien versus J'onn J'onnz
aka Fernus ... the Burning
Doubtless there were other powers displayed EARLIER that COULD have been used had his opponent chosen to do so, but, if the following ISN'T an instance of Superman's physical strength being overcome and Superman simply walked over, I'd like to know what it is ...
Source: JLA Trial by Fire (JLA #s 85-89)
Circa: 2003
Re: Superman; Strongest member in the League?
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
If so, prove your case with scans etcIf not, why
Clarification:
Lifting strength? Or overall power level?
Which League? There have been many.
Can we bring in Justice League Task Force, Xtreme, Dark?
If only the JLA, that would discount most of the 1990's, when they rebranded themselves "Justice League International/Europe".
Originally posted by -Pr-He is the actual starter of the thread...
"Well he's doing it too!" Is not a defence.I asked everyone. Some stopped. Some didn't.
When somebody starts a bait thread, and follows it up with condescending "If so, prove your case", don't be surprised that people respond snarkily.
Oh well..
Originally posted by Baziemarc123What does a magical tiara making a hallucinating Superman bleed [i.e. not being able to defend himself properly, since he thinks he's fighting a huge monster], have to do with strength? I could put a knife in your anus if you thought it was your dad beating you with a belt, does that make me stronger than you?
Diana beating a bloodlusted superman mind controlled by maxwell is just one example.What's yours?
Superman broke her wrist by squeezing and one-shot KO her across the solar system.
Guess which one is more relevant to strength?
Originally posted by zopzop
Physically strongest? Yes. Best durability? Yes. Best stamina? Yes. Best physical stats? Yes. Most versatile? NO!DC criminally jobs Martian Manhunter out to make the other League members (aside from Superman) look good. In fact, Jon is a one man Justice League. CL85-100 physical stats? Check. Powerful telepath? Check. Shapeshifting? Check. Density manipulation power? Check. Energy discharge powers (Martian Vision)? Check.
The most powerful League member is Superman. Jon is a distant second but no one else comes close.
J'onn is the type of board game character that somebody created who had 10 points to buy stats, so they spread them out over all abilities.
Superman is the guy who chose 4 for strength, 3 for speed and 3 for durability.
Philo's right.
About pretty much everything, imo.
Anyways, I'm gonna stick with "no" until the Op weighs in on my questions. Power level wise, Dr. Fate, Manitou Raven, and Kyle Raynor could be argued as much stronger, power level wise.
You can make lots of cases over the course of the various Leagues and offshoots over the years..
Re: Re: Superman; Strongest member in the League?
Originally posted by cdtm
Clarification:Lifting strength? Or overall power level?
Which League? There have been many.
Can we bring in Justice League Task Force, Xtreme, Dark?
If only the JLA, that would discount most of the 1990's, when they rebranded themselves "Justice League International/Europe".
Morrison. Striking/power level wise
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Me and CC are having a legit conversation... in a club known for fighting.
In order to hit as hard as even Thing, Namor etc. do, your fists would have to be moving at hypersonic speeds, every time.
That's why kinetic energy = m * v^2 / 2. There's only so much mass you can have. Be it a chippendale like Namor or a hardass like Thing.
Comics, obviously, couldn't give a shit.
Is that you were talking about? If not, I go back to:
couldn't give a shit
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Originally posted by Baziemarc123That's what somebody who doesn't read comics would say. Or who doesn't understand physics, to see how comics ignore the 'how punches work' entirely. Probably both.
lifting strength doesn't equate to striking. that's common sense, i don't get why you think it's somehow different in comics.
Lifting/striking are, generally, interchangeable in comics, unless you're a speedster like Flash, in which case writers masturbate to relativity.
I can bench 300lbs. But I can't destroy those plates with a punch
When analyzing force, it's mass times acceleration. And the mass that's being considered is the one in your fists, including energy drawn from your feet placed on the ground
Lifting is a pushing motion
Punching is a snapping motion
They're distinctive
Originally posted by PhilosophíaPretty much. CC is equating bear strength to make it more relevant in that strength = power.
In order to hit as hard as even Thing, Namor etc. do, your fists would have to be moving at hypersonic speeds, every time.That's why kinetic energy = m * v^2 / 2. There's only so much mass you can have. Be it a chippendale like Namor or a hardass like Thing.
Comics, obviously, couldn't give a shit.
Is that you were talking about? If not, I go back to:
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It's an interesting twist I feel, but one I don't feel entirely accurate even ignoring the use of people like Haftnor. Better than this ****ing thread at least.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123Why are you telling me how it is in the real world, when I explicitly told you in comics it's different, and characters who don't move their fists at hypersonic speeds can punch other people across continents, just because they are physically strong and can lift a lot?
I can bench 300lbs. But I can't destroy those plates with a punchWhen analyzing force, it's mass times acceleration. And the mass that's being considered is the one in your fists, including energy drawn from your feet placed on the ground
Lifting is a pushing motion
Punching is a snapping motionThey're distinctive
Physics are ignored in visual media across the board, be it cinema, television, or comics.
How many times has Jackie Chan toppled someone with an attack that had no form at all behind it. Or Xena?
It wasn't until Ultimate Fighting Championship that it became mainstream knowledge that punching upward at a guy who has you pinned isn't going to do squat, because physics.
