Originally posted by Baziemarc123You can't bench 300 pounds though. Example ruined.
I can bench 300lbs. But I can't destroy those plates with a punchWhen analyzing force, it's mass times acceleration. And the mass that's being considered is the one in your fists, including energy drawn from your feet placed on the ground
Lifting is a pushing motion
Punching is a snapping motionThey're distinctive
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
your point is?
Originally posted by Philosophia
Lifting/striking are, generally, interchangeable in comics, unless you're a speedster like Flash, in which case writers masturbate to relativity.
It's why Hulk punches harder than Wonder Woman, even though she can rub one out faster than he can blink.
Are you sure you're reading comics?
Originally posted by carver9
Seems like people use real world and comic physics when it suits them.
Also, I think you're mixing this up with logic.
Going back to my example. And my original post.
I said that I understand how skill and technique etc can get you so far.
Stilt then brought up Cap and Bats with their striking feats.
100% agree.
My question is, to turn it around....do we have examples of people with great lifting feats, but shit punching feats?
To use Bran's example, sure Eddie Hall ain't the greatest puncher. But it's still gonna be a pretty decent punch if you stood there (no bobbing and weaving) and he was allowed to take a free punch at you.
The logic makes no sense when you consider humans, let alone guys who can, I dunno, completely plucking a feat out of thin air here, can bench press the mass equivalent of the entire Earth. And yet we're acting like not pulverising Batman with your pinky is a valid feat....
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
@philo, again point remains while incrementally you hit harder now that you bench more doesn’t immediately equate to lifting power and hitting power.Roy Jones Jr would be a great example, a sub 200 Lbs guy and I would bet he hits harder than ANY marvel universe actor. Including Batista.
I bet Batista - and any other Marvel muscle actor - can outpunch highly skilled 96 year old grannies though.
Or those little kids who have black belts in karate or whatever.
They're still strong.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
not the point dude
It's precisely the point.
Strength DOES aid striking power. Being able to bench 300lbs doesn't necessarily mean you're the best puncher out there, but it DEFINITELY helps.
Skill without strength is useless. Strength without skill can still help you punch.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's precisely the point.Strength DOES aid striking power. Being able to bench 300lbs doesn't necessarily mean you're the best puncher out there, but it DEFINITELY helps.
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Skill without strength is useless. Strength without skill can still help you punch.
..Yeah you still don't get it. I'll explain further in detail later
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I bet Batista - and any other Marvel muscle actor - can outpunch highly skilled 96 year old grannies though.Or those little kids who have black belts in karate or whatever.
They're still strong.
You don't even need to go to ridiculous scenarios. Boxing enthusiasts talk about cross division dream fights all the time, and they pretty much universally agree there's a cutoff point where the smaller guy simply isn't going to do enough damage to gain the heavyweights respect.
Heck, even a single division of five lbs often means the difference between a massive damage, and barely bruising them up to the bell.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Here's where I come back in.
It's precisely the point.Strength DOES aid striking power. Being able to bench 300lbs doesn't necessarily mean you're the best puncher out there, but it DEFINITELY helps.
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Skill without strength is useless. Strength without skill can still help you punch.
It doesn't really. There are ways it could help via benching really ****ing fast like what shot putters do, but mostly it just will add mass which will add weight. I mean I guess it might help the guys who push their punches, but there's no real danger there.
The actual relevant strength is in muscles that are fairly hard to train. Look at internally rotating your hips for example to torque a punch. There's nothing that really targets that and squats don't help.
A bear hits hard because of how it knows how to throw it's weight around. Plus the weight of it's arm/paws. A bear benching more wouldn't help, but a bear that trained it's muscles to throw harder would. I don't know how you'd train those muscles in a bear though.
The muscles you use to throw punches aren't the most helpful in lifting weights and vice versa. Eddie Hall hits hard because he weighs the size of a large Mammoth. That doesn't mean Joe Cocksuck who smokes a lot of meth couldn't hit harder than him though (unlikely because of his background, but possible).
A bear can hit hard because it has the necessary strength to throw its weight around sufficiently fast.
If it was weaker, it would struggle with its own weight, let alone throw a hard strike. Square-cube law.
Technique adds some pliability to striking power, but only when the strength gap is within reasonable gaps.
To go even more extreme, though we really shouldn't have to, an elephant's lazy kick is more powerful than any kick Buakaw or Giorgio Petrosyan throw in kick boxing.
Originally posted by CosmicCometWould you agree that that isn't relevant to human sized and weighted objects though?
A bear can hit hard because it has the necessary strength to throw its weight around sufficiently fast.If it was weaker, it would struggle with its own weight, let alone throw a hard strike. Square-cube law.
Technique adds some pliability to striking power, but only when the strength gap is within reasonable gaps.
To go even more extreme, though we really shouldn't have to, an elephant's lazy kick is more powerful than any kick Buakaw or Giorgio Petrosyan throw in kick boxing.
And lifting in humans