Originally posted by abhilegend
It's events were erased.J'onn could scan entire Earth but couldn't scan one kryptonian mind because it's different.
Maybe marvel aliens just suck.
No, he just couldn't scan Superman's mind, you can't scale Superman mental resistance to random kryptonians. THEIR willpower isn't on par with Superman
Cap will power is arguably above superman
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think you asked for this scan btw:Odin with a gesture stops time, bfrs the entire human race, and keeps them mentally blank.
That's real cute, even Alan Scott has done that in silver age. Hal did that post crisis even.
Even a random GL kept his entire race catatonic for millions of years just recently.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's real cute, even Alan Scott has done that in silver age. Hal did that post crisis even.Even a random GL kept his entire race catatonic for millions of years just recently.
Ok?
Originally posted by abhilegend
It's events were erased.J'onn could scan entire Earth but couldn't scan one kryptonian mind because it's different.
Maybe marvel aliens just suck.
Odin reversed time/reality so the events never happened. It doesn't make it non-canon. Marvel Adventures is non-canon. Non-canon implies it happened in the non-616 continuity.
By Kryptonian mind, do you mean Superman? I don't want to derail this thread, so I will start a separate one if you'd like. Just lmk, what telepaths from Marvel do you believe can affect a regular Kryptonian mind?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ok?
Alan, Hal and several GLs were completely ineffective against kryptonians.
Just like Odin would be.
Odin reversed time/reality so the events never happened. It doesn't make it non-canon. Marvel Adventures is non-canon. Non-canon implies it happened in the non-616 continuity.
In marvel, erased events like that happen in alternate reality.
By Kryptonian mind, do you mean Superman? I don't want to derail this thread, so I will start a separate one if you'd like. Just lmk, what telepaths from Marvel do you believe can affect a regular Kryptonian mind?
Not Odin.
No, it does not. Your stance on Marvel and far future time-lines alone has been thoroughly debunked by writers who really don't give a shit in the last 2 years.
You said that telepathy working on human minds (Odin has mind wiped Elves, Frost Giants, Storm Giants, Asgardian's, Fire Demons etc.) is not indicative it would work on Kryptonians. Not Superman, Kryptonian's in general. Please, give me a list of 5 telepaths from Marvel Earth that can affect Kryptonian minds.
Originally posted by cdtm
No, Abhi's right. Time travel almost always = alternate timeline.Even The Reigning Thor is an alt Thor, despite the fact 616 Thor has memories of the event.
Otherwise, Genis-Vell should still be around and married to Songbird, and murder their child in its crib.
We're not talking about time-travel.
Loki killing Reed Richards and Thor killing Spider-Man was changed by Odin reversing time. He literally turned back the clock in the actual 616 dimension as if it never happened.
Calling that non-canon is disingenuous as we are not talking about time-traveling to Marvel 2099 which is Dimension 2130 or whatever and not part of 616.
That's exactly what happened in The Reigning.
Reversing time is still "time travel", in the sense that Marvel official policy is that time travel is impossibly.. It's universe hopping, period.
How the Time Gem and Odin/Lord Thor reset works is anyone's guess, but it can't be due to navigating a time stream that simply doesn't function in Marvel as it does in DC, or stories like The Time Machine.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, it does not. Your stance on Marvel and far future time-lines alone has been thoroughly debunked by writers who really don't give a shit in the last 2 years.
Right, bring out bad writing for an excuse.
You said that telepathy working on human minds (Odin has mind wiped Elves, Frost Giants, Storm Giants, Asgardian's, Fire Demons etc.) is not indicative it would work on Kryptonians. Not Superman, Kryptonian's in general. Please, give me a list of 5 telepaths from Marvel Earth that can affect Kryptonian minds.
Characters who have done exactly what Odin did were ineffective against kryptonians (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan and Thunderbolt).
Why would Odin be any different?
Why are you posting scans of SA Alan Scott using telepathy...when PC Alan Scott didn't even use telepathy against Kryptonian's....?
This is very simple Abhilegend. What characters from Marvel Earth can use telepathy against Kryptonian's successfully?
I know you realize you've trapped yourself in a self-imposed idiotic corner because your argument is contradicted by basically every telepathic showing in comics more or less, so what is your argument.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's exactly what happened in The Reigning.Reversing time is still "time travel", in the sense that Marvel official policy is that time travel is impossibly.. It's universe hopping, period.
How the Time Gem and Odin/Lord Thor reset works is anyone's guess, but it can't be due to navigating a time stream that simply doesn't function in Marvel as it does in DC, or stories like The Time Machine.
I'm not referring to an alternate time-line like Marvel 2099 in Dimension 2310. I'm referring to events that actually happened in the 616 time-line but were ERASED because Odin reversed time such as him killing Loki.
Non-canon is something that happens in an alternate reality. These are events in the 616 that were erased.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why are you posting scans of SA Alan Scott using telepathy...when PC Alan Scott didn't even use telepathy against Kryptonian's....?
And Odin does?
This is very simple Abhilegend. What characters from Marvel Earth can use telepathy against Kryptonian's successfully?
Against 100000 kryptonians? None of them.
I know you realize you've trapped yourself in a self-imposed idiotic corner because your argument is contradicted by basically every telepathic showing in comics more or less, so what is your argument.
The chances that Odin is going to use telepathy his way out of getting humiliated is zero.
Do you think Odin is more powerful than Thunderbolt, Dr Fate, Zatanna and Captain Marvel combined? Because he needs to be 10 times more powerful to affect all the kryptonians.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not referring to an alternate time-line like Marvel 2099 in Dimension 2310. I'm referring to events that actually happened in the 616 time-line but were ERASED because Odin reversed time such as him killing Loki.Non-canon is something that happens in an alternate reality. These are events in the 616 that were erased.
I understand that.
My point, is the timeline is inviolable.
Marvel specifically states the inability of time to be altered as the rational of the "multiple universes" policy.
So Odin may appear to be "erasing time", but he really isn't. We're simply seeing a branching universe, at the point before the rollback.
If a writer or two thinks differently, that's just bad writing, and ignorance of time travel mechanics in Marvel.
Once again, it was written that Genis married Songbird, and killed their child in the crib. Because the baby would grow up to become Magus.
Doesnt look too likely to happen now, does it?