Originally posted by juggerman
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You didn’t read my entire post.
I said, nevermind, I see it.
Address the latter of the post please.
Originally posted by juggerman
About 1 minute in:
You didn’t read my entire post.
I said, nevermind, I see it.
Address the latter of the post please.
I did read it I just missed that one sentence.
Originally posted by h1a8
But we still have
1. Lightning
2. Control of metals (can levitate Step)
3. Ares can fly and has the range and mobility advantage
4.Cutting weapons (like Hela)
1. Again Superman's heat vision shows us he can take extreme heat point blank with no real lasting damage. Not seeing what Ares' lightning would do
2. Who has Ares levitated? Why didn't he use that power against Diana? Seems like you are giving him abilities he's never shown
3. The entire JL has mobility in spades yet Steppenwolf could strike them all (except Superman)
4. Not seeing what stabbing weapons are going to do when Superman's punches didn't even break his skin
Originally posted by juggerman
I did read it I just missed that one sentence.1. Again Superman's heat vision shows us he can take extreme heat point blank with no real lasting damage. Not seeing what Ares' lightning would do
2. Who has Ares levitated? Why didn't he use that power against Diana? Seems like you are giving him abilities he's never shown
3. The entire JL has mobility in spades yet Steppenwolf could strike them all (except Superman)
4. Not seeing what stabbing weapons are going to do when Superman's punches didn't even break his skin
1. A lightning bolt carries 1 billion joules of energy. It lasts for about 10-50 microseconds. That 20 trillion watts of power. The air surrounding the lightning bolt is heated to over 3 times the temperature of the surface of the Sun. Now here's the kicker. Ares channels lightning for over 3 seconds. This lightning will have over 60 trillion joules of energy and will have heat of over 3 times the temperature of the sun on Steppenwolf body for over 3 seconds.
If something can heat something else to over 3 times the temperature of the Sun in 50 microseconds then it is far hotter than that.
2. Ares has that capability as he has lifted large amounts of metal in the air. You can argue character, but certainly not capability. Ares primarily strategy was playing keep away while trying to bombard WW. He could easily think of such a common sense tactic if
A. Steppenwolf proves to be too much as a physical threat
B. Lightning, heat, and metal projectiles does nothing to Ares
3. Only Superman used flight mobility against Steppenwolf. Cyborg used it to escape but not to fight. Steppenwolf is a slow brick. Ares could just stay in the air and ranged and constantly bombard him.
4. You may have a point here. But It's iffy since it's fair to believe that Steppenwolf can be cut by a sword. I'll think about it and get back with you here.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. A lightning bolt carries 1 billion joules of energy. It lasts for about 10-50 microseconds. That 20 trillion watts of power. The air surrounding the lightning bolt is heated to over 3 times the temperature of the surface of the Sun. Now here's the kicker. Ares channels lightning for over 3 seconds. This lightning will have over 60 trillion joules of energy and will have heat of over 3 times the temperature of the sun on Steppenwolf body for over 3 seconds.
If something can heat something else to over 3 times the temperature of the Sun in 50 microseconds then it is far hotter than that.2. Ares has that capability as he has lifted large amounts of metal in the air. You can argue character, but certainly not capability. Ares primarily strategy was playing keep away while trying to bombard WW. He could easily think of such a common sense tactic if
A. Steppenwolf proves to be too much as a physical threat
B. Lightning, heat, and metal projectiles does nothing to Ares3. Only Superman used flight mobility against Steppenwolf. Cyborg used it to escape but not to fight. Steppenwolf is a slow brick. Ares could just stay in the air and ranged and constantly bombard him.
4. You may have a point here. But It's iffy since it's fair to believe that Steppenwolf can be cut by a sword. I'll think about it and get back with you here.
1. You're assuming that Ares' magical lightning has the same properties as natural lighting and there is no reason to think that.
2. We have no idea why he was able to lift up random scraps of metal but not the metal on Diana. Perhaps he can only control certain metals. Either way in character he doesn't use his power in that way
3.Steppenwolf isn't slow. He can jump far as hell and is mobile as well. Again we look at Wonder Woman since she fought both. Steppenwolf was able to fight against her even though she's fast as hell
4. Its not that its impossible to pierce him, its that Ares might not be have the ability to produce the force needed to do so
Originally posted by juggerman
1. You're assuming that Ares' magical lightning has the same properties as natural lighting and there is no reason to think that.2. We have no idea why he was able to lift up random scraps of metal but not the metal on Diana. Perhaps he can only control certain metals. Either way in character he doesn't use his power in that way
3.Steppenwolf isn't slow. He can jump far as hell and is mobile as well. Again we look at Wonder Woman since she fought both. Steppenwolf was able to fight against her even though she's fast as hell
4. Its not that its impossible to pierce him, its that Ares might not be have the ability to produce the force needed to do so
1. There's every reason to think that. He obtained the lightning by drawing it from REAL clouds. There is no evidence to suggest that The writer wants the viewer to think Ares lightning is weaker than natural occurring lightning.
2. He didn't attempt to control the metal on Diana due to PIS. The writer obviously didn't think of that.
3. He is slow. Look at how he swings the axe. He jumps fast because it's impossible to jump slow. Steppenwolf keeping up with WW is the same reason MANY characters keep up with characters they are not suppose to. PIS is the reason. WW can't be faster than bullets and significantly slower than bullets at the same time. That would be a contradiction.
4. Ares restrained a WW that could lift a tank with metal. It takes a very small fraction of force to pierce something with a sharp point than it takes to pierce something with a blunt surface.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. There's every reason to think that. He obtained the lightning by drawing it from REAL clouds. There is no evidence to suggest that The writer wants the viewer to think Ares lightning is weaker than natural occurring lightning.2. He didn't attempt to control the metal on Diana due to PIS. The writer obviously didn't think of that.
3. He is slow. Look at how he swings the axe. He jumps fast because it's impossible to jump slow. Steppenwolf keeping up with WW is the same reason MANY characters keep up with characters they are not suppose to. PIS is the reason. WW can't be faster than bullets and significantly slower than bullets at the same time. That would be a contradiction.
4. Ares restrained a WW that could lift a tank with metal. It takes a very small fraction of force to pierce something with a sharp point than it takes to pierce something with a blunt surface.
1. He lifts his hand up and creates a bolt of lightning, but we don't see it come from "REAL clouds". Plus after he tossed it, Diana had time to speak a full sentence before attempting to block it. Clearly you don't need to be a speedster to dodge or block that slow ass lightning bolt
2. I'm not sure he could have anyway. If the writer didn't intend for him to use his power in a specific way then he probably isn't able to do it
3. Everything Ares did was slow. During the fight with Diana, they cut to Steve and friends for long periods of time while Ares did jack shit but whip some wind around. His strikes were slow and even his projectiles were slow. He made like 50 knives and 2 big swords and then flew at Diana, and took like 2 years to reach her. He fights head on and would get rocked by the New God
4. I understand that but Ares stabbing pointy things with his arms and him doing so with his metal tossing power are two different things. And again Steppenwolf could easily block and dodge since they didn't go that fast
Originally posted by juggerman
1. He lifts his hand up and creates a bolt of lightning, but we don't see it come from "REAL clouds". Plus after he tossed it, Diana had time to speak a full sentence before attempting to block it. Clearly you don't need to be a speedster to dodge or block that slow ass lightning bolt2. I'm not sure he could have anyway. If the writer didn't intend for him to use his power in a specific way then he probably isn't able to do it
3. Everything Ares did was slow. During the fight with Diana, they cut to Steve and friends for long periods of time while Ares did jack shit but whip some wind around. His strikes were slow and even his projectiles were slow. He made like 50 knives and 2 big swords and then flew at Diana, and took like 2 years to reach her. He fights head on and would get rocked by the New God
4. I understand that but Ares stabbing pointy things with his arms and him doing so with his metal tossing power are two different things. And again Steppenwolf could easily block and dodge since they didn't go that fast
1. The final bolt was from the clouds. Steppenwolf is not a speedster. Ares can stay ranged and take his time absorbing a vast amount of energy and shoot it at Steppenwolf. When Ares shoots the bolt it comes out fast.
2. Wrong! It's common sense that writer's don't think of everything when they write. We have to use logic here. Ares can control metal. He can control many elements actually (fire, lightning, wind, metal, etc.).
3. There were a few times Ares acted insanely fast. But it doesn't matter if he stays ranged.
4. Steppenwolf can't block multiple objects simultaneously. He swings his axe once per 2 seconds.
Also, Ares is very strong. He physically knocked WW equal or more distance that Steppenwolf every knocked her.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. The final bolt was from the clouds. Steppenwolf is not a speedster. Ares can stay ranged and take his time absorbing a vast amount of energy and shoot it at Steppenwolf. When Ares shoots the bolt it comes out fast.2. Wrong! It's common sense that writer's don't think of everything when they write. We have to use logic here. Ares can control metal. He can control many elements actually (fire, lightning, wind, metal, etc.).
3. There were a few times Ares acted insanely fast. But it doesn't matter if he stays ranged.
4. Steppenwolf can't block multiple objects simultaneously. He swings his axe once per 2 seconds.
Also, Ares is very strong. He physically knocked WW equal or more distance that Steppenwolf every knocked her.
1. I never said he was a speedster. I said he doesn't have to be to dodge that bolt. It was slow as hell man, don't make things up. It was nowhere near as fast as natural lightning
2. There are always limits to powers. You're speculating a lot here. What we do know is that Ares has NEVER used his power than way so we shouldn't just assume he would here. It's simple
3. So are we to take 1-2 showings over all the others? Based on his average showing he gets rocked
4. Watch the beginning of the Ares/Diana fight. It takes Ares quite a bit to start throwing things around and it starts with small stuff. While he's building it up he gets decapitated
Originally posted by juggerman
1. I never said he was a speedster. I said he doesn't have to be to dodge that bolt. It was slow as hell man, don't make things up. It was nowhere near as fast as natural lightning2. There are always limits to powers. You're speculating a lot here. What we do know is that Ares has NEVER used his power than way so we shouldn't just assume he would here. It's simple
3. So are we to take 1-2 showings over all the others? Based on his average showing he gets rocked
4. Watch the beginning of the Ares/Diana fight. It takes Ares quite a bit to start throwing things around and it starts with small stuff. While he's building it up he gets decapitated
1. The lightning was far faster than Steppenwolf. That's all that matters.
2. There is 0 speculation. If a person has shown an ability then it is assumed that they can do that ability. Ares can control metal with tons of force. Steppenwolf has metal armor and axe. Ares has the capability of lifting Steppenwolf with his armor on.
3. The average would be in between. Therefore much faster than Steppenwolf. But again it doesn't matter as Ares would stay ranged.
4. Then in the end, when he gets serious, he instantly start throwing tons of stuff without hesitation. You can pick the worst over the best. In this forum most posters represent characters at their best (not even average).
Originally posted by h1a8
1. The lightning was far faster than Steppenwolf. That's all that matters.2. There is 0 speculation. If a person has shown an ability then it is assumed that they can do that ability. Ares can control metal with tons of force. Steppenwolf has metal armor and axe. Ares has the capability of lifting Steppenwolf with his armor on.
3. The average would be in between. Therefore much faster than Steppenwolf. But again it doesn't matter as Ares would stay ranged.
4. Then in the end, when he gets serious, he instantly start throwing tons of stuff without hesitation. You can pick the worst over the best. In this forum most posters represent characters at their best (not even average).
1. Negative. Wonder Woman never had as much down time fighting Steppenwolf as she did waiting for that bolt to meander on over to her
2. Everything Ares lifted with his powers, Steppenwolf could lift with pure strength. Prove Ares' power is enough to rip his weapons from his grasp
3. No the average is closer to which one occurs more often. And Ares staying ranged is OOC. If you want to argue power sets then that's a different conversation
4. You don't know that he can. It seems like he needs some time to build it up. He dies shortly after the fight starts
Originally posted by juggerman
1. Negative. Wonder Woman never had as much down time fighting Steppenwolf as she did waiting for that bolt to meander on over to her2. Everything Ares lifted with his powers, Steppenwolf could lift with pure strength. Prove Ares' power is enough to rip his weapons from his grasp
3. No the average is closer to which one occurs more often. And Ares staying ranged is OOC. If you want to argue power sets then that's a different conversation
4. You don't know that he can. It seems like he needs some time to build it up. He dies shortly after the fight starts
1. The lightning travels from Ares hand to WW in the blink of an eye. It's slow to summon from the sky but quick to shoot forward. Also Ares sent power through the lasso and phucked WW up for a moment.
2. No, Ares will levitate Steppenwolf, not rip his armor from him.
3. You are now arguing from a bias standpoint. You just failed being objective. Do you know why? Because of your first word, "No".
I stated the word "INBETWEEN" and you say, "NO". Think about it. Ares stayed ranged during at least half of the fight. You are crazy to say OOC. He threw lightning, metal objects, used wind, etc. from a distance. WW kept trying to close the distance several times.
4. Steppenwolf hit WW several times and sent her flying. She wasn't damaged. So it's fair to assume that Steppenwolf needs many hits to beat Ares. With that said, Ares sent shit flying at WW instantly (after he already had them ready to go). Remember battle distance is sufficient for Ares to summon lightning and shit.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. The lightning travels from Ares hand to WW in the blink of an eye. It's slow to summon from the sky but quick to shoot forward. Also Ares sent power through the lasso and phucked WW up for a moment.2. No, Ares will levitate Steppenwolf, not rip his armor from him.
3. You are now arguing from a bias standpoint. You just failed being objective. Do you know why? Because of your first word, "No".
I stated the word "INBETWEEN" and you say, "NO". Think about it. Ares stayed ranged during at least half of the fight. You are crazy to say OOC. He threw lightning, metal objects, used wind, etc. from a distance. WW kept trying to close the distance several times.4. Steppenwolf hit WW several times and sent her flying. She wasn't damaged. So it's fair to assume that Steppenwolf needs many hits to beat Ares. With that said, Ares sent shit flying at WW instantly (after he already had them ready to go). Remember battle distance is sufficient for Ares to summon lightning and shit.
1. Watch the scene again. He creates a bolt and tosses it. Wonder Woman is walking slowly towards him, speaks a full slow sentence before blocking it. If it moved anywhere near as fast as natural lightning she wouldn't have had time for any of that
2. Show him ripping armor from an opponent
3. It seemed like you were trying to claim it would be directly in the middle, while it would really be on the lower end.
4. Wonder Woman was able to block the axe while Ares can't. He dies