Thragg vs Zod

Originally posted by krisblaze
400 million tons isn't close to Zod? lmao

They then either don't know or just straight up ignore that Omni-man, Mark, Thaddeus, Battle Beast, and Allen were all roughly as strong as if not a little bit stronger than Conquest. Finally, they completely ignore how Thragg stomped all five of them after nearly killing Omni-boy and tanking the explosion of a planet.

Superman ignores a planet blowing up under him; everyone starts immediately releasing enough jizz to supply multiple sperm clinics. Thragg ignores a planet blowing up under him; "low herald".

Never change KMC.

^^^Its odd for me to be on the DC/Superman by proxy side.
Feels good.
I should do it more often!

Originally posted by deathslash
👆 the problem with the vast majority of those that are supporting Zod seems to be that they're getting caught up on Mark's starting strength. Meanwhile, they completely ignore that Conquest lifted that weight in addition to six motherphucking miles of solid rock. They just disregard the fact that Omni-man was clearly Supreme's equal. Just ignore that Mark was implied to be one of the strongest people in existence. What's that, Mark shrugged off multiple hits from Solar Man (another characters that's stated to be the equal of Supreme)? Nobody cares.

They then either don't know or just straight up ignore that Omni-man, Mark, Thaddeus, Battle Beast, and Allen were all roughly as strong as if not a little bit stronger than Conquest. Finally, they completely ignore how Thragg stomped all five of them after nearly killing Omni-boy and tanking the explosion of a planet.

Superman ignores a planet blowing up under him; everyone starts immediately releasing enough jizz to supply multiple sperm clinics. Thragg ignores a planet blowing up under him; "low herald".

Never change KMC.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Yv-F-ojdx-8/U0ivffKqg2I/AAAAAAACVPg/6jl8ugZ56ZQ/s1600/p75_21.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HVwd-IqhJ_k/U0ivf8e8jeI/AAAAAAACVPo/O2Rm307zjRc/s1600/p75_22.jpg

Pretty much all of the viltrumites were koed there.

Also Thragg fought them one on one. When five no named Viltrumites fought him one on one, they pretty much raped him within one page.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xs6AIpHX5io/U0i3bzb0tpI/AAAAAAACV_o/QTZOAM3Hr8U/s1600/p102_12.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sBosKsfVX5M/U0i3cOlZXJI/AAAAAAACV_s/uQ1JMTs3hlk/s1600/p102_13.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XOnDKD_sxJs/U0i3ct6y5CI/AAAAAAACV_4/Po6-Vgc3jgU/s1600/p102_14.jpg

Originally posted by deathslash

this is lowballing of the highest order.

But yeah, he's clearly low herald at best.

I've read all Incredible comics and at no point have I stated, that Invincible hasn't gotten stronger as the time progresses. He even caught up on Thragg and beat him.
Where our arguments separate, is who in our eyes belongs in the herald rank.

I personally consider Hulk to be a mid herald. He has the strength and durability and then some of those two aspects, but he lacks in the versatillity department.

High heralds have destroyed planets before. Some of them with mere punches. Gladiator destroyed a planet that survived the death of its galaxy, so it was resistant and durable for sure, yet it stood no chance against Gladiators wrath.
We saw how three Viltrumites had to approach destroying the planet.

Yeah, Thragg was more powerful than them, but you're implying some massive no limit fallacies here. Where does Thraggs power in your opinion stop?

None of the Viltrumites survived a planetary explosion. That happened in the background, while they were fighting. +400 tones is nothing compared to the upper echelon of heralds in comics. And I consider Zod to be closing in on the Supermans and Thors.

You seem to think that Thragg could compete with Zod, because he was arguably the most powerful Viltrumite - or at least in the top 3. I think that Zod would have bitchslapped everyone Thragg has ever faced, while holding Thragg in a choke hold - with Thraggs eyes popping out.

Originally posted by zopzop
No, it's not. Zod held his own against a character that lifted a weight equivalent to the weight of the Earth. That's a phuck ton more than 400 million tons.

Or 1.5E+20 TONS.

Terrible way to debate. So everyone that has held their own with Supes is planetary? I doubt that and every writer doesnt view characters at the same strength. What I mean by that is, in one comic Hulk could probably bench press the sun and in another the writer might not even think he could lift earth. I have proof of this actually happening with the same Superman you're talking about. We dont share fts. What fts does ZOD have that proves he is stronger because fighting someone doesnt auto gives him planetary strength. .

Originally posted by carver9
Terrible way to debate. So everyone that has held their own with Supes is planetary? I doubt that and every writer doesnt view characters at the same strength. What I mean by that is, in one comic Hulk could probably bench press the sun and in another the writer might not even think he could lift earth. I have proof of this actually happening with the same Superman you're talking about. We dont share fts. What fts does ZOD have that proves he is stronger because fighting someone doesnt auto gives him planetary strength. .

You are quoting my post in reply krisblaze where I stated that even if Phagg could lift 400 million tons it's still nothing to Zod (or any other DC/Marvel herald worth their name). Superman has lifted MUCH more. Hulk has lifted MUCH more. ROOKIE GL's have lifted a phuckton more. Freaking Terrax, who the forum sees as a jobber, has lifted more.

Get it now?

Originally posted by krisblaze
400 million tons isn't close to Zod? lmao

400 million tons is a phucking large hill or a tiny mountain at best you dolt.

It's much less impressive than it sounds.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I've read all Incredible comics and at no point have I stated, that Invincible hasn't gotten stronger as the time progresses. He even caught up on Thragg and beat him.
Where our arguments separate, is who in our eyes belongs in the herald rank.

I personally consider Hulk to be a mid herald. He has the strength and durability and then some of those two aspects, but he lacks in the versatillity department.

High heralds have destroyed planets before. Some of them with mere punches. Gladiator destroyed a planet that survived the death of its galaxy, so it was resistant and durable for sure, yet it stood no chance against Gladiators wrath.
We saw how three Viltrumites had to approach destroying the planet.

Yeah, Thragg was more powerful than them, but you're implying some massive no limit fallacies here. Where does Thraggs power in your opinion stop?

None of the Viltrumites survived a planetary explosion. That happened in the background, while they were fighting. +400 tones is nothing compared to the upper echelon of heralds in comics. And I consider Zod to be closing in on the Supermans and Thors.

You seem to think that Thragg could compete with Zod, because he was arguably the most powerful Viltrumite - or at least in the top 3. I think that Zod would have bitchslapped everyone Thragg has ever faced, while holding Thragg in a choke hold - with Thraggs eyes popping out.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're riding the lowball-train hard today, lol.

Wow, you still consistently try to mislead people after all this time, eh? Fortunately, I actually know what I'm talking about, so I can make the needed corrections to your purposely fallacious post. 🙂

Here's the ENTIRE scene you selectively pulled those scans from:

As you can see: they were ALL back up on the very next page. Lol.

But I like how your stance has changed. First you said the blast "nearly killed!1!1!!!" them. When I busted that inaccuracy, you reverted to "they were KTFO!1!1!!!". Now that I've busted that inaccuracy as well, I wonder what you'll defer to..? mmm

Yet another lol @ your attempt to try and act like Mark and Nolan's powers were depleted, btw. Do you even realize how long it takes for Viltrumites to deplete? Do you even realize that NO in-universe sources alluded to them being depleted? Tattered clothing and a bloody lip don't change this, I'm afraid. 😂

Originally posted by Galan007
Allen explicitly noted that some Viltrumites are tougher/stronger than others(that's why he could one-shot some, but was utterly owned by others):

And on that note, the 4 Viltrumites who dogpiled Thragg are the SAME Viltrumites who easily pummeled the shit out of Allen, and forced him to retreat with Space Racer:

Sorry folks, that was meant for abhi.

So much anger in here.

Originally posted by deathslash
Sorry folks, that was meant for abhi.

Why are people scaling lanterns feat to Zod?

Comics are inconsistent, Hal also shielded around Earth that kept 250,000 Kryptonians out which is far above Zod

People have their jobbing moments, most writers ignore power levels during those moments, but on panel showings and feats Hal>>>>>>>>>>>Zod, and average kryptonians

just like here

Well, Hal is uber AF nowadays.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, and what has Allen ever done to consider him a standard?

Oh, and as for those "no name Viltrumites", here's what just one of them did against Omni-man.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3351066-invincible+vs+viltrumites+%2328+%2814%29.png

One of the others in that group broke Nolan's phucking spine.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3351068-invincible+vs+viltrumites+%2328+%2816%29.png

You also ignored that the same woman that overpowered Mark was in the group you freaking liar.

Originally posted by Galan007
Look, I get that you were trying to lowball Thragg by bringing up him getting beaten by FOUR Viltrumites... But you never considered how powerful those Viltrumites were. And again: Anissa(one of the 4 who attacked Thragg) is CLEARLY stronger than Mark, as she EASILY overpowered him:

What's you're endgame here, abhi? These ridiculous red herrings/lowballings/misleadings don't even make sense, for god's sake. srsly

Btw, you still haven't addressed how you clearly lied about them being knocked out. Hell, this is the second thread that you've blatantly lied about that in. You're probably going to ignore the clear as day evidence that just one of them was roughly on par with Nolan and then you'll try to deflect to safer waters. I'm honestly wondering what you're going to lie about next.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Its odd for me to be on the DC/Superman by proxy side.
Feels good.
I should do it more often!

I MAY ABSOLVE YOU OF YOUR OFFENSES AGAINST THE HOUSE OF EL IF THIS CONTINUES!

Originally posted by deathslash
.....he beat up Omni-man.
https://m.imgur.com/a/FGoNqUn
He literally stomped the shit out of him. He was also the one that saved Mark from the sun.
https://m.imgur.com/a/Yg4lPrS

So circular logic?

Good.

Oh, and as for those "no name Viltrumites", here's what just one of them did against Omni-man.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3351066-invincible+vs+viltrumites+%2328+%2814%29.png

One of the others in that group broke Nolan's phucking spine.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3351068-invincible+vs+viltrumites+%2328+%2816%29.png

In invincible universe, weaker characters can damage stronger characters just fine.

Mark almost killed Conquest by headbutts when Conquest literally punched through Mark. It's not like DC/Marvel.

You also ignored that the same woman that overpowered Mark was in the group you freaking liar.

So random viltrumite >>Invincible, huh? And the same invincible albeit a little stronger killed Thragg in the sun?

How does that support your claim?

Btw, you still haven't addressed how you clearly lied about them being knocked out. Hell, this is the second thread that you've blatantly lied about that in. You're probably going to ignore the clear as day evidence that just one of them was roughly on par with Nolan and then you'll try to deflect to safer waters. I'm honestly wondering what you're going to lie about next.

Right, they just had their eyes rolled over because they were asleep.

Zod literally destroying Henshaw body in half is better than anything Thragg has ever done. There you go.

Originally posted by deathslash
👆 the problem with the vast majority of those that are supporting Zod seems to be that they're getting caught up on Mark's starting strength. Meanwhile, they completely ignore that Conquest lifted that weight in addition to six motherphucking miles of solid rock. They just disregard the fact that Omni-man was clearly Supreme's equal. Just ignore that Mark was implied to be one of the strongest people in existence. What's that, Mark shrugged off multiple hits from Solar Man (another characters that's stated to be the equal of Supreme)? Nobody cares.

They then either don't know or just straight up ignore that Omni-man, Mark, Thaddeus, Battle Beast, and Allen were all roughly as strong as if not a little bit stronger than Conquest. Finally, they completely ignore how Thragg stomped all five of them after nearly killing Omni-boy and tanking the explosion of a planet.

mmm

Just so we're on the same page, are you saying it would it take Spider-Man ONE issue to beat any of the guys you listed above, or two?

Damn u guys are really shiettin on Invincible universe.

All that damage portrayal is off-set by the ridic damage soak. Plus it was always more an art style. When a top tier(Omniman) from this comic fought a top tier(Supreme) outside the realm of Invincible, he represented well.

Thragg is a beast. As for Zod, he's been impressive of late. I don't see a stomp either way.

Zod is just more impressive. In suicide squad, he still fought with half his skull blown by the bomb.