Originally posted by abhilegendsure, fine. Go ahead and ignore that Mark broke his skull when he head-butted Conquest. Ignore that in the final war, numerous half Viltrumites were dying just trying to ram into Mark and Nolan.In invincible universe, weaker characters can damage stronger characters just fine.
Mark almost killed Conquest by headbutts when Conquest literally punched through Mark. It's not like DC/Marvel.
So random viltrumite >>Invincible, huh? And the same invincible albeit a little stronger killed Thragg in the sun?
How does that support your claim?
Right, they just had their eyes rolled over because they were asleep.
*Anissa*
*Named character*
*Introduced as being stronger than Mark*
*Random*
Are you retarded? That's like calling Thragg or Conquest "random Viltrumites". That's like calling Rao a "random Kryptonian".
You mean the corpes that formed the ring of their planet?
I didn't think you could actually sink any lower, but once again, it seems that I've overestimated you. You're now lying about the billions of corpes that surrounded the planet. You're mental gymnastics are simply incredible.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Damn u guys are really shiettin on Invincible universe.All that damage portrayal is off-set by the ridic damage soak. Plus it was always more an art style. When a top tier(Omniman) from this comic fought a top tier(Supreme) outside the realm of Invincible, he represented well.
Thragg is a beast. As for Zod, he's been impressive of late. I don't see a stomp either way.
That isnt the issue though. The beings that are damaging them are their equals. It's like calling Zod weak because he blasted half of his brains out. It's like call Superman weak because Zod broke his jaw with a blitz and blasted a dose of heat vision through him casually. Equals can do that to each other... it doesnt take away from their durability. Now when you have humans causing damage to Heralds, that is when you question things.
Originally posted by deathslash
sure, fine. Go ahead and ignore that Mark broke his skull when he head-butted Conquest. Ignore that in the final war, numerous half Viltrumites were dying just trying to ram into Mark and Nolan.
Mark almost killed Conquest. But hey, he broke his skull (that's major. Almost dying is minor).
Half vilturmites are as powerful as the real vilturmites now?
*Anissa*
*Named character*
*Introduced as being stronger than Mark*
*Random*
Right, Anissa. Forgive me for not remembering random invincible characters.
But I thought Mark was as strong as Nolan and second most powerful compared to Thragg at that point. Are you saying random vilturmites like Anissa were stronger than Mark?
Are you retarded? That's like calling Thragg or Conquest "random Viltrumites". That's like calling Rao a "random Kryptonian".
Well, what's special about Anissa? That she raped Mark?
You mean the corpes that formed the ring of their planet?
So you are sabotaging your own point? Vilturmites actually die from planet destruction?
Damn, what a weak race.
I didn't think you could actually sink any lower, but once again, it seems that I've overestimated you. You're now lying about the billions of corpes that surrounded the planet. You're mental gymnastics are simply incredible.
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Hey I was trying to give vilturmites some benefit of the doubt that they survived the destruction of Viltrum.
But hey, dying is so much better than getting knocked out.
Originally posted by carver9*sees Juggernaut punching Thor's teeth out and getting a tooth punched out.
That isnt the issue though. The beings that are damaging them are their equals. It's like calling Zod weak because he blasted half of his brains out. It's like call Superman weak because Zod broke his jaw with a blitz and blasted a dose of heat vision through him casually. Equals can do that to each other... it doesnt take away from their durability. Now when you have humans causing damage to Heralds, that is when you question things.
Yeah right. Physical equals can never damage each other.
Originally posted by abhilegend*ignores that those Viltrumites died long before the destruction of the planetSo you are sabotaging your own point? Vilturmites actually die from planet destruction?
Damn, what a weak race.
Hey I was trying to give vilturmites some benefit of the doubt that they survived the destruction of Viltrum.
But hey, dying is so much better than getting knocked out.
At this point I'm absolutely convinced that you're retarded.
Originally posted by deathslash
*ignores that those Viltrumites died long before the destruction of the planet
*Ignores that they died from a plague tailor made to kill them
*Ignores the on panel evidence and statements from the characters
*Pretends that the planet blowing up killed themAt this point I'm absolutely convinced that you're retarded.
Are you saying these vilturmites were killed by a plague? I'm forgetting about that but there were alot of the vilturmites who were still alive at that point.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HVwd-IqhJ_k/U0ivf8e8jeI/AAAAAAACVPo/O2Rm307zjRc/s1600/p75_22.jpg
What about Allen? He was koed by the blast as well.
No idea, why this thread is still going on.
Anyone, who has actually read Invincible comics and looked into the lore of that universe knows that Zod oneshots Thragg and everyone else in the Invincible universe. There is just a massive power gap between Invincible characters and mid to high tier heralds from Marvel and DC comics.
But okay, I'll dwell a little bit deeper into all of it:
Originally posted by deathslashA planet that we have no idea of the size of. For all we know, Viltrum was the size of Mars. We do however know that it would have to be significantly more dense than earth in order for beings like the Viltrumites to live on it.
How dense was Viltrum in your opinion? How high was its gravity? Let's say the density compares to gravity. You're speculating, that it must have been so much more impressive then Earth... Can you give me a number?
Don't worry about it, I've got you:
https://i.imgur.com/rlSLCTM.jpg
^ It's stated, that Viltrums gravity was 1.25 the gravity of Earth. So actually fairly similar. In the story the Viltrumes were very interested in Earth later on, because it was similar to their home planet and had a race, they could also easily breed with.
So there goes your argument of Viltrum being some kind of a special animal, which required even more than just regular planet busting power. Not that the argument would have mattered in the first place, since as long as it's not the Earth we're talking about... the size, the density and the gravity of the destroyed planet rarely ever matters.
Let's face it... Invincible characters have questionable durability. They tend to bleed and bruise very quickly. What makes them stand out is their ability to recover. In the Invincible universe that has something to do with "Smart Atoms", where their bodies simply pull themselves back to their original form (aka their insane healing factors).
Omni-Man:
https://i.imgur.com/vyESIXX.jpg
^ His durability states, that he can survive direct hits by field artillery cannon shells. That's cool and all, but at the same time that's not something even low heralds in Marvel and DC even notice.
Allen the Alien:
https://i.imgur.com/5HLW6Zk.jpg
^ His durability states, that he can withstand anti-tank missiles, before starting to receive serious damage.
I'm not even going to post Invincible stats, because they're even lower. To be fair though, that was when Invincible was still younger and well below Omni-Man and Allen.
But that isn't even the point. The point is the following thing:
https://i.imgur.com/IXhTxok.jpg
^ That's how Viltrumite biology actually works. Their "smart atoms" increase their strength and other powers, but their durability simply doesn't scale in the same way. The bio tells us, that in theory Viltrumite muscle perform greater and greater strength until a certain task is performed. So for the sake of the argument, let's say that Thragg can reach the strength level needed to compete with Zod... Unfortunately for Thragg the same doesn't apply for his durability. Viltrumite durability simply does not scale the same way their strength does. Which is a common theme through out the ENTIRE comic run. Even the most powerful Invincible characters were rather gooey and constantly receiving tons and tons of damage. They don't have high strength and durability like heralds in Marvel. They have high strength and a great healing factor. But even their healing factor is bad, when compared to someone like the Hulk.
Even if Thragg can go toe to toe with Zod in the strength department (which is something I doubt anyway), he would get his face punched off, because his durability is just not there. Every time Invincible characters punch each other bones are broken and limbs torn off. Even when a younger and less experienced Invincible attacks someone like Conquest, who at that point is well above Invincible.
TL-DR: Zod oneshots.
Originally posted by deathslash👆
*ignores that those Viltrumites died long before the destruction of the planet
*Ignores that they died from a plague tailor made to kill them
*Ignores the on panel evidence and statements from the characters
*Pretends that the planet blowing up killed themAt this point I'm absolutely convinced that you're retarded.
