Snoke vs sidious

Started by relentless127 pages

Sidious:

- Throws Senate pods around like baseballs which must be around a ton each

- His Lightning has been shown to kill (Mace) and maim (Luke)

- He effortlessly destroyed the Maul bros in saber combat

- He killed 3 out of 4 Jedi Council members sent to arrest him within seconds with his lightsaber; fast enough to get the drop on them easily

- stalemated Yoda who was the greatest warrior in the Jedi Order at that time; Yoda own feats from the PT and TCW back up his battle prowess

- despite being uber powerful with the Force he managed to conceal himself from the Jedi for decades while interacting with them on a daily basis

- was also telepathic, able to enter Anakins mind before his turn in order to influence his decision

- was able to Force choke Dooku, another powerful Force user from lightyears away through a hologram

Snoke:

- used lighting to knock Kylo on his ass

- managed to connect Kylo and Reys minds; a pretty decent feat but one with no battle applications

- slapped Hux around, a normal human around from what is presumed to be lightyears away with the Force

- is able to read minds..poorly it would seem as he was blindsided by his apprentices true intentions

- is able to extract info from minds even with raw power such as Reys

Snoke just doesnt have the feats to go up against Sidious in a one one one battle; its painfully clear that while he may have had the POTENTIAL going by his scarce onscreen feats now that hes dead hes severely limited in showings that can go up against Palpatines.

Snoke loses badly when you compare their feats

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious:

- Throws Senate pods around like baseballs which must be around a ton each

- His Lightning has been shown to kill (Mace) and maim (Luke)

- He effortlessly destroyed the Maul bros in saber combat

- He killed 3 out of 4 Jedi Council members sent to arrest him within seconds with his lightsaber; fast enough to get the drop on them easily

- stalemated Yoda who was the greatest warrior in the Jedi Order at that time; Yoda own feats from the PT and TCW back up his battle prowess

- despite being uber powerful with the Force he managed to conceal himself from the Jedi for decades while interacting with them on a daily basis

- was also telepathic, able to enter Anakins mind before his turn in order to influence his decision

- was able to Force choke Dooku, another powerful Force user from lightyears away through a hologram

Snoke:

- used lighting to knock Kylo on his ass

- managed to connect Kylo and Reys minds; a pretty decent feat but one with no battle applications

- slapped Hux around, a normal human around from what is presumed to be lightyears away with the Force

- is able to read minds..poorly it would seem as he was blindsided by his apprentices true intentions

- is able to extract info from minds even with raw power such as Reys

Snoke just doesnt have the feats to go up against Sidious in a one one one battle; its painfully clear that while he may have had the POTENTIAL going by his scarce onscreen feats now that hes dead hes severely limited in showings that can go up against Palpatines.

Snoke loses badly when you compare their feats

Eh there's always previous material to explore, so Snoke could get stuff there.

I mean sure there’s all this shit about how Snokes so strong but....where’s the evidence

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Eh there's always previous material to explore, so Snoke could get stuff there.
Indeed... And I, for one, certainly hope Snoke's backstory is expanded on in future works, just like Sheev's was. Given his origins, that could make for some good storytelling, imo.

That said, we can only go by the evidence *at hand*... And as of right now, Snoke has no quantifiable feats that put him in the same ballpark as Palpatine overall. The fact that a few people are using an actor's opinion to try and 'prove' Snoke's power should show you how little he has in the way of legitimate feats/showings. /shrug

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious:

- Throws Senate pods around like baseballs which must be around a ton each

- His Lightning has been shown to kill (Mace) and maim (Luke)

- He effortlessly destroyed the Maul bros in saber combat

- He killed 3 out of 4 Jedi Council members sent to arrest him within seconds with his lightsaber; fast enough to get the drop on them easily

- stalemated Yoda who was the greatest warrior in the Jedi Order at that time; Yoda own feats from the PT and TCW back up his battle prowess

- despite being uber powerful with the Force he managed to conceal himself from the Jedi for decades while interacting with them on a daily basis

- was also telepathic, able to enter Anakins mind before his turn in order to influence his decision

- was able to Force choke Dooku, another powerful Force user from lightyears away through a hologram

Snoke:

- used lighting to knock Kylo on his ass

- managed to connect Kylo and Reys minds; a pretty decent feat but one with no battle applications

- slapped Hux around, a normal human around from what is presumed to be lightyears away with the Force

- is able to read minds..poorly it would seem as he was blindsided by his apprentices true intentions

- is able to extract info from minds even with raw power such as Reys

Snoke just doesnt have the feats to go up against Sidious in a one one one battle; its painfully clear that while he may have had the POTENTIAL going by his scarce onscreen feats now that hes dead hes severely limited in showings that can go up against Palpatines.

Snoke loses badly when you compare their feats

Seems very close when you put it like that

Originally posted by Galan007
Indeed... And I, for one, certainly hope Snoke's backstory is expanded on in future works, just like Sheev's was. Given his origins, that could make for some good storytelling, imo.

That said, we can only go by the evidence *at hand*... And as of right now, Snoke has no quantifiable feats that put him in the same ballpark as Palpatine overall. The fact that a few people are using an actor's opinion to try and 'prove' Snoke's power should show you how little he has in the way of legitimate feats/showings. /shrug

If his injuries is any indication(along with his Guards), then that means his prime wouldn't be TLJ. Since the explosion ambush or whatever the Resistance did, did cripple him. So'd make sense TLJ wouldn't really be an indication of being powerful...well as far as like being very.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Seems very close when you put it like that

how do ya figure??

Force Lightning: Sidious >> Snoke

- Kill/maim vs knock down... no explanation needed really

Force usage: Sidious > Snoke

- both were able to use the Force through holograms from far away but Snoke hasn't been seen using it to lift anywhere near as heavy as Sidious

Saber skills Sidious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snoke

- no explanation needed

in conclusion, Sids rapes Snoke

Originally posted by relentless1
how do ya figure??

Force Lightning: Sidious >> Snoke

- Kill/maim vs knock down... no explanation needed really

Force usage: Sidious > Snoke

- both were able to use the Force through holograms from far away but Snoke hasn't been seen using it to lift anywhere near as heavy as Sidious

Saber skills Sidious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snoke

- no explanation needed

in conclusion, Sids rapes Snoke

How was Luke maimed by Sidious' lighting? I mean he was tortured yeah, but afterwards he wasn't like scarred or anything.

More to that, trying to compare Snoke's instance to Sidious' seems a little silly since obviously Snoke wasn't trying to kill Kylo.

I mean I won't argue that Sidious doesn't kill him, but the comparison there just doesn't add up.

Sids wasn't trying to kill Luke either he was toying with him, point is we've seen superior lightning feats from the Emperor than from Snoke and im sure we can all agree on that point

... and Luke couldve been maimed we dont know what he looks like under that tunic!!

Originally posted by relentless1
Sids wasn't trying to kill Luke either he was toying with him, point is we've seen superior lightning feats from the Emperor than from Snoke and im sure we can all agree on that point

... and Luke couldve been maimed we dont know what he looks like under that tunic!!

He was however torturing Luke with multiple bursts, Snoke's burst on Kylo just seemed more like slapping some sense into someone. Still though Sidious has the superior feats as where combat application goes.

Feats don’t nor have they ever determined superiority. Silly feat arguers.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
How was Luke maimed by Sidious' lighting? I mean he was tortured yeah, but afterwards he wasn't like scarred or anything.

More to that, trying to compare Snoke's instance to Sidious' seems a little silly since obviously Snoke wasn't trying to kill Kylo.

I mean I won't argue that Sidious doesn't kill him, but the comparison there just doesn't add up.

I read somewhere Luke said it was the worst pain he’d ever felt and I think he had to spend time in one of those tanks as it ****ed up his bones

lol then what does determine superiority Quan ya dumb f*ck?? an actor saying so??? all we have is feats, its not my fault that they dont support your guy, I noticed that you dont ever back your claims up with any feats when you know there isn't for your guy... you just try to bulls*t your way out... just let it go man you've lost this one... you should be used to that feeling by now

Originally posted by Galan007
It wasn't stated or implied in the comics themselves that Yoda was amped(feel free to reread the issues yourself if you don't believe me.)

It was a oneness-esque feat that occurred in a moment of duress. It was an outlier, sure, but it was not an amped feat.

Well, even though I would argue that it still was an amped feat (nothing "implies" that Anakin's Mortis feat was amped, either), my point still stands, that Yoda has so far done nothing as powerful as Snoke's bond feat.

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious:

- Throws Senate pods around like baseballs which must be around a ton each

- His Lightning has been shown to kill (Mace) and maim (Luke)

- He killed 3 out of 4 Jedi Council members sent to arrest him within seconds with his lightsaber; fast enough to get the drop on them easily

- He effortlessly destroyed the Maul bros in saber combat

These show Sidious' powers are tremendous, but really no mention of power which doesn't outstrip the force bond feat is worth mentioning.

- stalemated Yoda who was the greatest warrior in the Jedi Order at that time; Yoda own feats from the PT and TCW back up his battle prowess

But Yoda's never shown an ability stronger than Snoke's force bond either, so even that's not worth all that much.

- despite being uber powerful with the Force he managed to conceal himself from the Jedi for decades while interacting with them on a daily basis

In canon, it was more due to the clone wars clouding the jedi's powers rather than Palpatine directly himself.

- was also telepathic, able to enter Anakins mind before his turn in order to influence his decision

That's not really that impressive, especially compared to Snoke calling Sidious to the unknown regions and knowing the events of the destruction of Death Star II when he wasn't even there.

- was able to Force choke Dooku, another powerful Force user from lightyears away through a hologram

Dooku wouldn't have resisted in that moment. He was being chastised by his master. It's an impressive feat, yes, but it's not even as powerful as Snoke chastising Hux.

Snoke:
- managed to connect Kylo and Reys minds; a pretty decent feat but one with no battle applications

But it is a good display of his power. You interpret the feat as being "decent", but it's implied to be part of the lost knowledge from the unknown regions. The only moments we've seen it done other than Snoke and Luke is through a ritual connecting Dooku and Yoda and an ancient sith holocron connecting Maul and Ezra.
This feat shows the kind of stuff he knows about the force, something hidden from the Jedi and Sith for centuries, if not millenia. And it could imply combative application, as we see he can teleport matter and people through it.

- slapped Hux around, a normal human around from what is presumed to be lightyears away with the Force

- is able to extract info from minds even with raw power such as Reys

What's even more impressive is he asked Kylo in TFA to bring Rey to him, implying that he could do to Rey what he did in TLJ even from lightyears away.

- is able to read minds..poorly it would seem as he was blindsided by his apprentices true intentions

That was a display of his overconfidence, not his weakness. He could read minds well, he just was fooled by Kylo's intentions, when Kylo felt that he wanted to "turn his lightsaber and kill his true enemy."

Snoke just doesnt have the feats to go up against Sidious in a one one one battle; its painfully clear that while he may have had the POTENTIAL going by his scarce onscreen feats now that hes dead hes severely limited in showings that can go up against Palpatines.
Snoke loses badly when you compare their feats

Mostly because we've never been shown his upper limit. We saw Sidious stalemating Talzin and Yoda, and not being able to understand what was calling to him from the unknown regions. And I'd still argue his Force bond feat is more impressive.

Originally posted by relentless1
how do ya figure??

Force Lightning: Sidious >> Snoke

- Kill/maim vs knock down... no explanation needed really

Force usage: Sidious > Snoke

- both were able to use the Force through holograms from far away but Snoke hasn't been seen using it to lift anywhere near as heavy as Sidious

Saber skills Sidious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snoke

- no explanation needed

in conclusion, Sids rapes Snoke

Sidious' hologram in rebels was not of the force.

Dooku connecting to Yoda was done by Sidious so all you've done is give me yet another good Sidious feat of his arcane Force knowledge

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Eh there's always previous material to explore, so Snoke could get stuff there.

So argue it at that time.

But I think its pretty obvious to most of us that a throwaway villain will never be proven to be on par with Sidious.

Originally posted by Zentrex
Dooku wouldn't have resisted in that moment. He was being chastised by his master. It's an impressive feat, yes, but it's not even as powerful as Snoke chastising Hux.

Wait what

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Wait what

When your master chastises you, you don't resist. Dooku wouldn't have put up a force barrier. Thus, Snoke fully ragdolling someone from lightyears away > Sidious choking someone from lightyears away.

It's irrelevant, since Sidious probably could ragdoll someone from lightyears away anyway, but it's just that it's not more impressive than Snoke.

Originally posted by relentless1
Dooku connecting to Yoda was done by Sidious so all you've done is give me yet another good Sidious feat of his arcane Force knowledge

Snoke also had knowledge of how to create force bonds, and he did it without a ritual. Well, we don't know that, but he did it on a whim, and apparently without Kylo's knowledge, whereas Sidious needed a long winded ritual which required Dooku's blood and involvement.

So this doesn't do anything for Sidious.