Snoke vs sidious

Originally posted by Zentrex
When your master chastises you, you don't resist. Dooku wouldn't have put up a force barrier. Thus, Snoke fully ragdolling someone from lightyears away > Sidious choking someone from lightyears away.

It's irrelevant, since Sidious probably could ragdoll someone from lightyears away anyway, but it's just that it's not more impressive than Snoke.

We're also under the assumption that Dooku's "resting defenses" are on par with Hux's? Ventress should have just choked him in his sleep instead of trying to poison and ambush him.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So Dooku wouldn't know what to expect when Sidious is angry? Nor was he trying to resist when he was frantically clawing at his own throat and being lifted in the air?

We're also under the assumption that Dooku's "resting defenses" are on par with Hux's? Ventress should have just choked him in his sleep instead of trying to poison and ambush him.

No, not intentionally. You don't resist in the presence of your superior. The clawing at the throat is a natural human response, nothing can be done about it.

You can take your resting defenses down, can't you?

Originally posted by relentless1
lol then what does determine superiority Quan ya dumb f*ck?? an actor saying so??? all we have is feats, its not my fault that they dont support your guy, I noticed that you dont ever back your claims up with any feats when you know there isn't for your guy... you just try to bulls*t your way out... just let it go man you've lost this one... you should be used to that feeling by now

Sidious' feats paint a picture of superiority, Snoke has barely any feats to speak of when it comes to a one v one fight; your conjectures about who Lukes afraid of and all that bs... if you want context then here it is: Luke was afraid of Reys potential... key word is POTENTIAL... Snoke was able to rag Rey because she's nowhere near reached hers... is that really hard to understand for you??

Originally posted by Zentrex
No, not intentionally. You don't resist in the presence of your superior. The clawing at the throat is a natural human response, nothing can be done about it.

You can take your resting defenses down, can't you?

Do you always have to rely on your assumptions?

If your superior was about to kill you you’d just take it? You sound like an idiot.

It’s obvious Sidious is way stronger then dooku.

But with you there’s always gotta be some stupid theory, like Luke wouldn’t beat Rey up cause she might hurt herself with her saber or Jedi are pacifist but pacifist isn’t the right word.

Originally posted by Zentrex
Snoke also had knowledge of how to create force bonds, and he did it without a ritual. Well, we don't know that, but he did it on a whim, and apparently without Kylo's knowledge, whereas Sidious needed a long winded ritual which required Dooku's blood and involvement.

So this doesn't do anything for Sidious.

He just used another method ya ****, did you even see the scene? He used dookues blood because dooku had a connection with Yoda.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So Dooku wouldn't know what to expect when Sidious is angry? Nor was he trying to resist when he was frantically clawing at his own throat and being lifted in the air?

We're also under the assumption that Dooku's "resting defenses" are on par with Hux's? Ventress should have just choked him in his sleep instead of trying to poison and ambush him.

Starting to think he’s a troll like quan. Some of his answers are just....wow

@Zentrex, you do realize that even Vader has much better feats than Snoke, right?

Nah he thinks some mind bridge and force choking a non human is just wow and that Luke in TLJ was somehow better then yoda n Sidious

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Do you always have to rely on your assumptions?

If your superior was about to kill you you’d just take it? You sound like an idiot.

It’s obvious Sidious is way stronger then dooku.

But with you there’s always gotta be some stupid theory, like Luke wouldn’t beat Rey up cause she might hurt herself with her saber or Jedi are pacifist but pacifist isn’t the right word.

You are under the impression that I believe Sidious couldn't force choke Dooku with his guards up. I don't. I just pointed out the fact that he was choking an unguarded Dooku in that scene, and thus that feat isn't worth mentioning as one of Sidious' greatest. I even said, in my next comment, "It's irrelevant, since Sidious probably could ragdoll someone from lightyears away anyway, but it's just that it's not more impressive than Snoke" "Snoke" in that sentence meaning the force bridge feat. As for why I believe Dooku was unguarded:

You think of it as an assumption, but it's the only way it makes sense to me. It's like Han and Leia kissing in Empire and me "assuming" they're in love. Not everything has to be explicitly stated for the audience to just understand based on how people react in real life.

And Sidious was not going to kill Dooku. What he did was more akin to a slap on the wrist. Maybe on the face. But it was just a warning.

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
He just used another method ya ****, did you even see the scene? He used dookues blood because dooku had a connection with Yoda.

I know this will be hard to justify for either of us, since this scene predates the new canon and wasn't even meant to be a "force bridge" feat when it was created, but I'm under the impression that the reason he had to use a long winded ritual which required Dooku to be doing it with him is because he couldn't do it on a whim.

I mean, if you had a choice between using a ritual and just doing it with your powers, you'd choose the latter, right? The only reason someone would use a ritual is because they can't use their powers. Also, rituals give you excess power, so if you can't do something with your innate raw power, you should be able to do it with the ritual, implying that Sidious didn't have the raw power to create the bridge without the ritual.

Originally posted by Sinious
@Zentrex, you do realize that even Vader has much better feats than Snoke, right?

Unless Vader's got some celestial feats, he doesn't have anything on the force bridge. No telekinetic feat, unless it's the kind of thing legends did, will ever be superior to the force bridge. You're attacking this concept from many different angles, but what you have to prove to me is that the Force bridge isn't one of an ancient, lost, powerful abilities which can defend against the creatures from the unknown regions, and the likes of which Vader and Sidious were confounded by.
Because that's what has ultimately convinced me, and what will ultimately unconvince me, unless you actually do have some celestial feat in canon.

Originally posted by Zentrex
Unless Vader's got some celestial feats, he doesn't have anything on the force bridge. No telekinetic feat, unless it's the kind of thing legends did, will ever be superior to the force bridge. You're attacking this concept from many different angles, but what you have to prove to me is that the Force bridge isn't one of an ancient, lost, powerful abilities which can defend against the creatures from the unknown regions, and the likes of which Vader and Sidious were confounded by.
Because that's what has ultimately convinced me, and what will ultimately unconvince me, unless you actually do have some celestial feat in canon.

Regarding what you said in response to DP12: I haven't read what was said before, but I don't understand why you guys assume what Snoke did is the exact same of what Palpatine did with Dooku and Yoda. More importantly, is it stated that Snoke didn't use any form of ritual to pull it off?

The most important question is, how do any of this keep Vader from force choking Snoke?

Originally posted by Zentrex
No, not intentionally. You don't resist in the presence of your superior. The clawing at the throat is a natural human response, nothing can be done about it.

You can take your resting defenses down, can't you?

Plus the Sith training we've seen has a lot to do with the Masters shitting on the students and forcing them to do something.

I can't, not to that degree. However, now we're under the assumption that Dooku's resting defenses would be under some none force sensitive? How does that make sense? What is stopping some Sith Academy trainee from choking Dooku from another room if that's the case? Why wouldn't Ventress just choke him to death in his sleep? Etc
The people who have choked other Force Users have been massively powerful in the force. Even Savage's rage was played up severely when he did it to Dooku.

But let's shift it away from the distance here since that's what this feat is (unquantifiable distances so we assume equal ground).
A Stormtrooper and one of the most powerful Jedi of all times who then gets his powers amped by being a Sith are just standing in the same room.

Are we to believe that it'd be harder to ragdoll the Stormtrooper than it would be to force choke and levitate the *unnamed* Sith Lord?

there's holistic arguments to be made for snoke.

Feat wise, clouding the jedi order and unbalancing the galaxy prolly beats Snoke's light year feat.

Sidious is likely the better combatant anyway by virtue of being virtually unparalleled in swordmanship.

You’re assuming he had no defense up, always assumptions with you, then you assume dooku would allow Sidious to just kill him. Kissing n choking isn’t the same thing dumbass.

It’s just another method I’d achieving the same goal, I’ve explained this several times to you, is your head made of Stone? I know a bit about the occult, the act of using blood boosts the power in the ritual, since he was connecting the mind of yoda and not two nobodies like Kylo n Rey it makes sense. So from what i know...I’d go with what Sidious did

Vader lifting imperial walkers, Vader beating a squadron of rebel fighters, him beating 200 rebels...yeah he’s better then Snoke feat wise

Bro the bridge isn’t that I,pressive stfu....Kylo n Rey were too dumb to know what was being done Snoke even said so

The willful ignorance demonstrated in this thread is cringe-worthy, tbh.

I feel like Zentrex has to be trolling at this point.

Yup, I sense he is

Zentrex just loves blowing Snoke up your anus holes imo.

You're in this too, bran.

Zentrex was tongueslapping you right in your Snoke-hole... Vigorously, tbh. 👆

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious' feats paint a picture of superiority, Snoke has barely any feats to speak of when it comes to a one v one fight; your conjectures about who Lukes afraid of and all that bs... if you want context then here it is: Luke was afraid of Reys potential... key word is POTENTIAL... Snoke was able to rag Rey because she's nowhere near reached hers... is that really hard to understand for you??

Luke states who he is fearful of. Luke also lost his balance when Rey came at him with a light saber. Kylo was unable to overpower her. She is extremely powerful due to Kylo’s rise in power. Snoke is just on another level unlike Luke who was beaten by Ben and looked bad against Rey. Some of that has to do with Luke’s vacation from the force until the end of the film.

lmao... quan youre a terrible troll... the guy who constantly likes to use context to explain batman v superman is really gonna ignore context here eh?? obviously Luke was startled by Reys sudden viciousness... at NO POINT in that skirmish did she have the upper hand on him... notice that he had caught himself with the Force before he even touched ground....youre a hypocrite and i dont deal with hypocrites because you people dont have a proper tether to reality so im just wasting my time... fact is the Snoke has no feats to back up your claims that he'd beat Sidious in a fight... your retorts are cringeworthy and devoid of merit, learn to live with the shame of your defeat here pleb