Carver Talks: Comparisons

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Odin vs Thor

Thor vs Sigriend with the entire power of Odin from Thor 127. Thor's power was halved in the previous issue and he was easily beaten by Hercules.

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Thor was beaten but he was weakened.

Thor vs Odin (possessed by Infinity which amped him). Odin is bloodlusted.

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Thor is unharmed and escapes.

Thor vs Odin again when Odin is brainwashed by egyptian gods from Thor 241. Thor withstands Odin trying to kill him after he chose not to fight back.

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Thor and Warriors three vs living embodiment of Odinpower from Thor 263. It looked beyond Thor but no more than teambuster.

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Thor vs Odin again from Thor 291-292. Odin koes Thor with a bit of struggle. Thor overpowers him in raw strength test though.

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Thor vs Snow Giant (Who Odin could not beat even after weeks of struggle until he took him to a place of no snow) from Thor 308. He is hilariously beaten by a gas mainline.

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Masterson Thor vs Heimdall with the power of Odin. It is mistakenly stated that Heimdall only had a portion of Odin's power. In fact Odin gave him all his power in Thor 426. This is the best showing Odin power has against Thor level beings.

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Masterson Thor vs Annihilus with a portion of Odin's power. Pretty evenly matched.

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Masterson Thor vs Heimdall with a portion of Odinpower as Odin had awakened. They look evenly matched again.

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Masterson Thor vs Loki in Odin's body. Masterson's strength is stolen by Karnilla a few issues ago and he comments that he still does not has super strength. This is easily comparable to Darkseid's showing in Apokolips now. Loki pounds away on a weakened Masterson Thor for five pages straight but can't ko him. Masterson stuns Loki with one hammer shot and swells Odin's remaining eye shut. In fairness Loki says he does not has Odin's full power.

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Thor vs Odin in destroyer armor and Odinsword from Thor: Man of War. Thor gets humbled again but after a fair bit of fight.

A young Thor vs Odin (In guise of Orlog) from Breaking into Comics Marvel Way 2. Thor defeats Odin.

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Thor vs Odin again from fear itself.

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The now infamous Jane Thor vs Odin from Mighty Thor 5.

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Thor and Odin vs Surtur. Surtur is beaten.

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Odin and Balder along with Warriors Three. Odin and the rest are beaten.

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Thor vs Surtur. Surtur is beaten.

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Oh and Odin along with a bunch of Asgardians including Thor, Vidar etc vs a random red dragon. Odin stuns himself punching the dragon and steamrolled along with the other asgardians. The dragon is hilariously beaten by colliding with a mountain.

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Darkseid vs Orion/Kalibak. Courtesy of Mungi

Darkseid vs Orion from Adventure Comics 459. Darkseid defeats Orion with a single energy blast.

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Darkseid vs clone of Orion from Legion 294. Darkseid literally disintegrates him after a bit of struggle.

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Darkseid vs Orion from Jack Kirby's Fourth World 6. Orion is merged with Desaad and is more powerful than normal. Darkseid easily manhandles him and was about to kill him when Highfather intervened. This Darkseid was revealed to be an avatar while real Darkseid was entombed in the Source wall.

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Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 2. This happens inside the source and Darkseid allows Orion to kill him to taint the source.

Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 6 & 8. Darkseid kills Orion while being dead by creating his own body out of Orion. Later he brings Orion back to life and easily defeats him while Orion is in berserker fury.

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Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power almost kills orion.

Same Kalibak vs a weakened Darkseid.

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Darkseid vs Orion from Orion 5. It is a staged fight from Darkseid.

He actually admits later he could have easily killed Orion, but pretended to even die to further stain his soul so that Darksied and him could rule the universe.

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Orion vs Darkseid from The Legion 29. Darkseid manhandles Orion with one hand.

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Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power beats down Orion casually. He overpowered Orion with one hand even.

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Darkseid vs Orion and Mr. Miracle from Firestorm 35. Darkseid koes both with literally a wave of his hand.

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Darkseid vs Orion from Countdown 2. Orion finally fulfills the prophecy but there is context as well. Darkseid has just faced Superman and Jimmy Olsen with the power of all new gods. Orion is also sent by the Source to kill Darkseid.

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Now to his other son Kalibak who by Orion's own admission as strong as he is.

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Darkseid incinerates Kalibak with just a touch.

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Kills Kalibak again with just one attack.

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Darkseid manhandles Kalibak.

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Or simply backhands him away.

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Darkseid vs Superman

Weakened Darkseid vs Superboy and Supergirl (amped by Highfather). Darkseid banishes superboy and beats Supergirl until she is saved by Legion.

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Darkseid vs Superman from Action Comics 638. Darkseid defeats him with a single blast.

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Darkseid swats Superman away when he tried to rush him. Cosmic Odyssey 2.

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Darkseid vs Infinity Man (Shown to be more powerful than Superman in the same issue) and Superman. Adventures of Superman 495.

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Darkseid vs Superman from New Gods 10. Darkseid brings Superman to his knees even though he is not trying to kill him.

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Darkseid vs Superman again from Superman Man of Steel 116. Darkseid physically subdues Superman in 3 punches.

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Darkseid vs Superman from Adventure of Superman 595. This is Imperiex probe shredding version of Superman and Darkseid is weakened due to expanding Omega Beams on Imperiex. Darkseid still stalemates Superman.

Weakened Darkseid vs a young Superman and Legion from The Legion 29. Darkseid shuts them down with a wave of his hand. His younger self releases them. The older Darkseid is killed by Orion while the younger Darkseid manhandles Orion.

Darkseid vs Superman from Apokolips Now 1. This is not a straight up victory for Superman as Darkseid is hit by his own omega beams and loses due to Superman beating his eyes shut. Easily comparable to a weakened Masterson Thor swelling Odin's eye shut with just one hammer shot.

Darkseid vs Superman from Superman Confidential 8. Darkseid literally slaps away a charging Superman.

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Darkseid vs Superman again from Superman Confidential 10. Superman is bloodied and battered and needed Infinity Man to stop Darkseid from killing him.

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Darkseid vs Superman from Superman/Batman 13. Darkseid stuns Superman with one backhand and is defeated after he is hit by his own omega beams and Superman takes him to the sun to gain an amp.

Darkseid vs Superman from Superman/Batman 42. Superman suckershots Darkseid and punches him a few times. Darkseid teleports away.

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Darkseid vs Superman again from Countdown 3. This is the best showing Superman has against Darkseid in straight up fight.

Darkseid gets bored and activates Jimmy Olsen's power to incapacitate Superman.

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Odin brings Thor and Valkyrie to life. He struggles to do so and is nearly drained after doing so.

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Darkseid brings Orion back to life easily.

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Darkseid actually revives Secret (a ghost) stripping her of all power. Odin has never done so in my recall.

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Odin brings an entire town back to normal after the people were turned to stone.

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Highfather returns an entire town back to normal after the people were turned into animals and the town was destroyed.

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Odin returns all the worlds which were ravaged by Infinity back as they were.

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Highfather restores all the worlds after they were destroyed by Si'vaa even after he was absorbed by The Source.

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But here the new gods have an edge. Even a normal new god can create entire universes.

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Darkseid himself has created entire realities to trap Mr Miracle.

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Odin as no universe or reality creating feat that I know of. He severed the tenth realm from Yggdrasil though (Which was later revealed as just sealed away)

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Darkseid hid Apokolips from anti matter wave in COIE.

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Odin teleports the entire population of Earth to a different dimension and keeps them in stasis and stops time on Earth.

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A weakened Darkseid, teleports Daxam and Apokolips together across dimensions.

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Darkseid pulls his younger self from past and the entire creation collapses.

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Odin sends Gladiator to future where he came from.

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Darkseid sends Slobo to 853rd century.

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Here again Darkseid has an edge as omega sanction nearly destroyed entire DC timeline when Batman reappeared in current time after he was sent back in time by Darkseid.

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Just his death destroyed Milestone universe and ripped apart space time.

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All in All, Darkseid shows a very decent edge against Odin. This is just post crisis Darkseid mind you.

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Casey specifically stated Darkseid is 100% in Adventures 595:

https://imgur.com/a/ouhzQq1

Apokolps Now is absolutely a straight up victory for Superman, as per Casey he can withstand the 100% Omega Beams expressed as raw destructive power. Remember, his portrayal of All Out Superman is Imperiex level. And, unlike, OWAW, Superman deflects the OE with HV. Superman is Skyfather class under those portrayals. they in no way demean Darkseid's record or established power-level, as they display how much more powerful he was there than during the Byrne levels or Post Kryptonite X levels in Hunter/Prey.

Baziemarc123 Restricted

LMAO prove Darkseid have better destructive feats than Odin.,

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is as good place as any so what the heck. Darkseid-Highfather/Odin comparison.
First lets see their raw power. Odin destroys planets against Infinity (Which was later retconned as being amped by abstract Infinity).
http://i.imgur.com/Kvbzazb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a3iJIIx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2EDgbgm.jpg
Only planets being destroyed is confirmed in Marvel Index.
https://s6.postimg.cc/r02w3u641/aven64.jpg
Darkseid and Highfather destroy the source wall which encircles the whole universe and is nigh impenetrable.
https://s6.postimg.cc/dxj7kaoa9/New_Gods10-20.jpg
Odin once again shows galactic level power against Foresung.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111200398/4697071-6306165603-Odinv.jpg
Darkseid and Highfather each provide 1/5th power to destroy an entire universe.
http://imgur.com/a/YWQtD
Odin shows galactic power against Seth and banishes him to his realm as he couldn't kill him.
https://s15.postimg.cc/py1vikybv/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-016.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/405eosjbf/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-017.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/5ggx6xm8b/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-018.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/lfzkqhia3/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-019.jpg
Scott Free with a portion of Highfather's alpha powers banishes Black Racer (an abstract version of Death) to his realm. He tries to attack Highfather in the very next page who casually blocks his attacks.
https://s6.postimg.cc/iyqllnvqp/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/up4j31oj5/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/z8grok6ep/image.jpg
Odin died powering a planet for a few weeks.
https://s6.postimg.cc/pt5hp3drl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/puffiifld/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7b154uvzl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/j1f2m8os1/image.jpg
While Darkseid just reanimating a statue for a second spends more power than Apokolips spends in an entire year.
https://s6.postimg.cc/5upmmpt2p/Darkseid-19.jpg

There you go.

carver9 Senior Member

Great scans ABHI. At Insane... I know Thanos wasn't at his Prime during some of those scans but Hulk was at his weakest as well which is the reason I posted scans within the same era. Both have become significantly more powerful.

Baziemarc123 Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
There you go.

...none of those are impressive. lmao Black racer has zero destructive feats that's remotely abstract, let alone planetary

Baziemarc123 Restricted

ah of course Hulkster already debunked that outdated trash of a comparison lmao

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635342&pagenumber=1

Insane Titan Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Great scans ABHI. At Insane... I know Thanos wasn't at his Prime during some of those scans but Hulk was at his weakest as well which is the reason I posted scans within the same era. Both have become significantly more powerful.

Thanos got a huge upgrade from death far beyond anything Hulk power has increased by. The weaker Thanos was able to put Thing and Thor down together whilst Hulk of that era was only on the lvl of Thing/Thor of that era.

You failed to acknowledge the fact AnniHulk far more powerful when Thanos faced him than when Hulk faced him

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
ah of course Hulkster already debunked that outdated trash of a comparison lmao
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635342&pagenumber=1

I debunked his debunk.

Baziemarc123 Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
I debunked his debunk.

LOl you didn't debunk anything, you never do. show Darkseid or Highfather beating solar system-multi galaxy level beings. I'll wait

Post crisis avatars of darkseid struggle with superman level beings all the time

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos got a huge upgrade from death far beyond anything Hulk power has increased by. The weaker Thanos was able to put Thing and Thor down together whilst Hulk of that era was only on the lvl of Thing/Thor of that era.
You failed to acknowledge the fact AnniHulk far more powerful when Thanos faced him than when Hulk faced him

Far beyond? I doubt that. People that gave Hulk fits in the past are nuisance now. Thing was never on Hulk level and when did Thanos take down Thing. Thanos himself (whom intellect is one of Marvels best) mentioned Champion with the Gem being on Hulks level and he shielded from him the entire match. So I doubt Hulk was thing level and Thanos thought of Hulk as so much more. Annihihulk did as well which is the reason he jacked his power.

Anni adapted more to his powers, he didnt become more powerful. There's a difference. It doesnt even matter anyways since Anni had Hulk powers and having Hulk powers mean you can become more powerful. That was the reason he jacked him anyways. He knew having Hulks abilities wouldnt make his power static.

At the end of the day, both Thanos and Hulk are FAR above where they use to be and Hulk has been shown to be more or a threat on a couple of occasions. Especially recently.

Baziemarc123 Restricted

hmm, those scans are pretty good carv. any more of them herald level feats for Hulk?

quanchi112 Disney

Thanos has always been a greater threat than the Hulk. The recent film definitely rams that down the general audiences throats. Thanos is the guy teams like the avengers were formed to team up against.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has always been a greater threat than the Hulk. The recent film definitely rams that down the general audiences throats. Thanos is the guy teams like the avengers were formed to team up against.

I thought the Avengers were created to fight the Hulk during the beginning?

One Big Mob Dead

Excellent comparisons Abhi. I was a little hesitant when you chose to do it but I think it turned out well.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by carver9
I thought the Avengers were created to fight the Hulk during the beginning?

What on earth are you talking about?

Thanos destroyed your Hulk hand to hand. Quickly and decisively despite Hulk beginning the encounter with a cheapshot. Just accept a Thanos is his superior. Quit denying reality for your bias. Thanos is the big bad Hulk is just a cog on the wheel of heroes assembled to challenge him.