Surfer or Superman: who does better

This is a vs and the idea of this is to point out who would do better against each opponent. Silver Surfer and Superman have to fight these beings and it is up to you to decide between Surfer and Superman, who would do better against the list below. To make this fair, let's wipe their minds clean of each opponent so that experience doesnt factor in. The only thing they have is common knowledge. This is not agantlet, so I am not placing these in any specific order._

1. Wonder Woman
2. Thor_
3. Orion
4. Wraith_
5. H'el_
6. Kurse_
7. Thanos_
8. HP Doomsday
9. Sinestro Parallax
10. Flash (Wally)

Go!!!

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Are they fighting in character or are we controlling the Superman/SS

1. Wonder Woman - SS
2. Thor - SS
3. Orion - SS
4. Wraith - SS
5. H'el - SS
6. Kurse - SS
7. Thanos - Nobody does well
8. HP Doomsday - SS
9. Sinestro Parallax - SS
10. Flash (Wally) - SS

Originally posted by One Big Mob
1. Wonder Woman - SS
2. Thor - SS
3. Orion - SS
4. Wraith - SS
5. H'el - SS
6. Kurse - SS
7. Thanos - Nobody does well
8. HP Doomsday - SS
9. Sinestro Parallax - SS
10. Flash (Wally) - SS

Anyway Superman does better than Surfer against all and then punches out Surfer for good measure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway Superman does better than Surfer against all and then punches out Surfer for good measure.

Superman isn't stronger than Surfer, i thought we had this discussion already?

also

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
1. Surfer does better, Superman doesn't.

2. Neither does better

3. Surfer does better, Superman doesn't.

4. Surfer does better, Superman doesn't

5. Surfer does better, he absolutely spites, Supes doesn't, I mean we've seen how that went

6. Surfer does better 7/10, Supes does better 4'/10

7. Neither does better

8. Surfer does better due to his hax, supes already got stomped lol

9. Supes does bettter probably

10. Surfer does better 10/10, Supes does better 3/10

If you think Supes doesn't get the same treatment surfer does against thanos you're delusional.

But you did say you'll do a comparison against Thanos on a new thread, so where is it? I would love to see this LOL

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Superman isn't stronger than Surfer, i thought we had this discussion already?

also

Superman isn't stronger than Surfer? Good luck with that.

Nonsense.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
If you think Supes doesn't get the same treatment surfer does against thanos you're delusional.

But you did say you'll do a comparison against Thanos on a new thread, so where is it? I would love to see this LOL

Patience my boy.

Prove how Supes does better against Surfer at all of them. better be good too

Superman across the board. You could make a case for orion-- well, no, no you can't. Orion>>Surfer post JK4W.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Prove how Supes does better against Surfer at all of them. better be good too

Years and years of feats proves it so.

Surfer since his creation, thanks to his power comics and the way it works have only a few handful of feats Kal since his creation hasn’t been able to pull off.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Are they fighting in character or are we controlling the Superman/SS

KMC style debating. Whatever you feel is right.

Originally posted by panthergod
Superman across the board. You could make a case for orion-- well, no, no you can't. Orion>>Surfer post JK4W.

prove it.

Surfer rewrites Doomsday genetic code lmao, or transmutes him. whatever hax will work, surfer overpowers diana in physical or traps her in his board, surfer's already beaten orion, surfer DEFINIATELY beats wally, nothing wally can do will effect surfer, but wally can absorb supes kinetic energy and have proven to do so, not sure what sinestro parallax is gonna bring to the table against surfer but ok...? lol

Modern era Orion got an explicit upgrade in skill under Byrne. post JK4W he can fight Darkseid as a peer in combat via increased skill and defeat whereas before he got considtently beaten/overpowered by Darkseid, who is absolutely at minimum Skyfather level in relative power.

Surfer and Thor together cannot defeat Darkseid.

Supes also got stomped or well struggled with someone like Kalibak etc, you think Kalibab>Kurse LMAOOO? delusional, but it's you. Orion is able to fight darkseid because he's prophecised to

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still lacks the power of the Hulk. He will still get tagged by the Hulk because in character he feels he is powerful enough to do so. Superman has spent a long time at the top of the food chain believing he can tank punches/attacks.

Here's one example of Superman not being fast enough to protect lives and an example where he gets beaten by two oafish inferior opponents. Granted this is just one example but there are lives on the line here as well and it doesn't change the end result. You claim he's always just darting around with lives on the line isn't true. But you really don't have the knowledge to be in here. But feel free to give examples to back your claims.

[B]These examples back my claims that he thinks he can withstand attacks even though he clearly falters to less than World Breaker Hulk.

Feel free to back your claims. [/B]

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supes also got stomped or well struggled with someone like Kalibak etc, you think Kalibab>Kurse LMAOOO? delusional, but it's you.

Superman has never struggled with Kalibak one on one -- he was dominating Mantis and Kalibak together, and Kalibak still needed a surprise attack with the Beta Club to KO Supes. and in Death of the New Gods, Kalibak was amped well beyond his standard levels (which are equals to Orion physically )per his prior appearance in Firestorm as a lead in to Countdown. Superman noted he is now a strength peer to him, whereas before he was below Byrne era Superman in Action 500 and post Mongul training Superman easily dominated Kalibak in OWAW and in Action 812

Kalibak in DoTNG would stomp Surfer physically, BTW.

Originally posted by panthergod
Superman has never struggled with Kalibak one on one -- he was domnginati Mantis and Kalibak together, and Kalibak still needed a surprise attack with the Beta Club to KO Supes. and in Death of the New Gods, Kalibak was amped well beyond Orion physically per his prior appearance in Firestorm as a lead in to Countdown.

Did you read the scans I posted? He's clearly shown struggling with Kalibak in that scene

What Kalibak in DOTNG did to assure he'd stomp surfer in physicals? Mind you Surfer trashed his physical superior Orion in crossover, and gotten stronger later years too

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Prove how Supes does better against Surfer at all of them. better be good too

Patience my boy.