Surfer or Superman: who does better

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Did you read the scans I posted? He's clearly shown struggling with Kalibak in that scene

You heard what I said-- Darkseid notes Superman is above both of them, but Superman made the mistake of underestimating them.

Context matters.

What Kalibak in DOTNG did to assure he'd stomp surfer in physicals?

The scans you reposted are beyond anything Surfer has ever done anywhere physically.

Surfer<<Thor, let alone Orion.

Mind you Surfer trashed his physical superior Orion in crossover, and gotten stronger later years too

Surfer never fought HTH against Orion and specifically avoided doing so, relying on EP.

Regardless, Orion explicit got more formidable later under the same writer, and subsequently fought far beyond Surfer level beings as a peer, like Darkseid and post OWAW Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Patience my boy.

Ill be waiting

Originally posted by panthergod
You heard what I said-- Darkseid notes Superman is above both of them, but Superman made the mistake of underestimating them.

Context matters.

The scans you reposted are beyond anything Surfer has ever done anywhere physically.

Surfer<<Thor, let alone Orion.

A herald mindset/all out Surfer, using EP/energy strikes against an Orion fighting HTH.

Surfer never fought HTH against Orion and specifically avoided doing so, relying on EP.

Regardless, Orion explicit got more formidable later under the same writer, and subsequently fought far beyond Surfer level beings as a peer, like Darkseid and post OWAW Superman.

Orion is able to fight darkseid because it's his destiny and he's PROPHECIDED to. thats like using an argument for Thor beating serpent

Originally posted by panthergod
You heard what I said-- Darkseid notes Superman is above both of them, but Superman made the mistake of underestimating them.

Context matters.

The scans you reposted are beyond anything Surfer has ever done anywhere physically.

Surfer<<Thor, let alone Orion.

A herald mindset/all out Surfer, using EP/energy strikes against an Orion fighting HTH.

Surfer never fought HTH against Orion and specifically avoided doing so, relying on EP.

Regardless, Orion explicit got more formidable later under the same writer, and subsequently fought far beyond Surfer level beings as a peer, like Darkseid and post OWAW Superman.

In your opinion, name the weakest person that can pull a majority against Superman.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Ill be waiting

He's waiting for a certain poster to post their response. I know who it is. 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
In your opinion, name the weakest person that can pull a majority against Superman.

At this point..?

a high end tactical energy manipulator can overcome his raw power edge, probably Magneto, but that's going off his pre-Reborn showings. No, Surfer is nowhere near Magneto in combat skill, so don't even try it.

Now...?

in terms of raw power, Rebirth Hal got wrecked by post Reborn Superman's peer Zod amped 2x.

I'm not seeing sub trans characters having a shot on average right now.

Originally posted by carver9
He's waiting for a certain poster to post their response. I know who it is. 🙂

Originally posted by panthergod
At this point..?

a high end tactical energy manipulator can overcome his raw power edge, probably Magneto, but that's going off his pre-Reborn showings. No, Surfer is nowhere near Magneto in combat skill, so don't even try it.

Now...?

in terms of raw power, Rebirth Hal got wrecked by post Reborn Superman's peer Zod amped 2x.

I'm not seeing sub trans characters having a shot on average right now.

shutup.

anyways, surfer rewrites doomsday genetic code, FACT. Surfer also overpowers Diana, FACT. Surfer beat Orion, FACT. and surfer beats majority here with hax

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
shutup.

anyways, surfer rewrites doomsday genetic code, FACT. Surfer also overpowers Diana, FACT. Surfer beat Orion, FACT. and surfer beats majority here with hax

Doomsday’s already went against energy beings and adapted to them.

Here’s 2.
-Radiant, a being who’s sole creation was to kill DD. DD lost the first fight, Came back and kill Radiant, a pure energy being.
-Waverider. Waverider posses chrono powers, DD adpated to said powers.

Also, what makes you think rewritting DD’s genetic code would work? Do you even know how DD was created? He was created from his genetic code being rewritten every time he dies and cloned.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
shutup.

make me.

anyways, surfer rewrites doomsday genetic code, FACT. Surfer also overpowers Diana, FACT. Surfer beat Orion, FACT. and surfer beats majority here with hax [/B]

Diana beats the shit out of Surfer at least 5/10 at this point.

Surfer in all out Herald mindset beat a far less formidable Orion who got a skill upgrade under the same writer later in his timeline. IRRELEVANT fact.

Yeah, No.

ABC logic at its worst. Baseless claims to boot.

Originally posted by panthergod
😂

make me.

blatant Surfer analogues specifically failed to do so for a reason.

Diana beats the shit out of Surfer at least 5/10 at this point.

Surfer in all out Herald mindset beat a far less formidable Orion who got a skill upgrade under the same writer later in his timeline. IRRELEVANT fact.

Yeah, No.

prove how Diana beats Surfer

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
prove how Diana beats Surfer

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
prove how Diana beats Surfer

beating the shit out of him. She can beat up his physical superior Supergirl via superior skill., after all.

And keep cheerleading on the sidelines QuanSHE. That's all you're good for now. 😂

Supergirl is above Surfer now?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supergirl is above Surfer now?

Physically..? Yes, Easily. Supergirl can oneshot KO Surfer. Iron Man can KO Surfer, after all.

Based on what?

Supergirl isn't Thor

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supergirl is above Surfer now?

Diana has zero defense for Surfer hax

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Based on what?

Supergirl isn't Thor

Yes, She's well above Thor physically. Easily. 😮‍💨