Darkstars Vs Marvel Earth

Again, the Controllers are NOT part of the actual Darkstar swarm, and would be hundreds of lightyears away from Marvel earth when the invasion took place. This would NOT be considered standard knowledge, because it was obviously FAR from a well-known fact(meaning the inhabitants of Marvel earth wouldn't go into this battle knowing that the Darkstars were being telepathically linked by the Controllers from a distant/remote location, nor would they know where that specific location is.) The only reason Hal knew where the Controllers were being held is because one of the Darkstars actually took him there.

And unless Marvel somehow finds out where that location is and sends their best telepaths there to try and shut down the Controllers' minds, their TP is nigh-irrelevant.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, the Controllers are NOT part of the actual Darkstar swarm, and would be hundreds of lightyears away from Marvel earth when the invasion took place. This would NOT be considered standard knowledge, because it was obviously FAR from a well-known fact(meaning the inhabitants of Marvel earth wouldn't go into this battle knowing that the Darkstars were being telepathically linked by the Controllers from a distant/remote location, nor would they know where that specific location is.) The only reason Hal knew where the Controllers were being held is because one of the Darkstars actually took him there.

And unless Marvel somehow finds out where that location is and sends their best telepaths there to try and shut down the Controllers' minds, their TP is nigh-irrelevant.

A ruling on this topic needs to be taken. Forum matches assumes that all combatants or sentiments involved must be accounted for. No sneaky off the battlefield shot. I don't agree with your assessment, and I'm likely not the only one. The Controllers are a part of the Darkstars Ramada, and must therefore be a part of the Battle.

I'm sorry you don't like the facts, but they are the facts. The Controllers do not physically accompany the Darkstars anywhere -- they telepathically link the Darkstars from a remote location hundreds/thousands of lightyears away. 🙂

It's puzzling to me that you claim to have read the comics, yet you seem to be clueless about information that was explicitly presented in said issues..?

As per the forum rules..

“Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.”

Marvel Earth knowing about the controllers would not be considered basic knowledge. Heck not even basic knowledge for the DC universe.

Exactly. 👆

I don't think this is common knowledge for the general hero, nevermind general population in DC.

Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly. 👆

But they are still part of the battle. Technically speaking the Controllers shouldn't even be in this battle because it is a forum fight. It isn't as if the Darkstars can not actually fight without these Controllers involvement. They aren't the Sybiote that makes Venom Venom. They are either on the battlefield or they are not. General knowledge in this case matters very little.

The Controllers aren't on the physical battlefield, no. As I've said numerous times: they are in a remote location hundreds/thousands of lightyears away, telepathically linking the Darkstars' minds.

What's not computing here?

Originally posted by Galan007
The Controllers aren't on the physical battlefield, no. As I've said numerous times: they are in a remote location hundreds/thousands of lightyears away, telepathically linking the Darkstars' minds.

What's not computing here?

Sorry I'm at work. Very busy here at times. What isn't computing is that they must be on the battlefield or they are automatically BFR'd under the normal rules of engagement. You can skate around this issue for as long as you like but they must still be on the battlefield.

DC is in a completely different reality and universe than Marvel, but that does not stop the Darkstars or any cross company battle from being wage in a forum setting.

1. We both know that without this gimmick the Darkstars wouldn't actually stand a chance against Marvel Earth that has been known to repel just about any type of invasion posed against it. Which is why I can understand your need to keep the Controllers hidden.

2. Can the Marvel telepaths invade a Darkstars mind? Is that impossible under these circumstances

3. The Darkstars with support of the Controllers would have to contend with much more than many people may be thinking about. In this case the X-Men, Excaliber, X-Factor, Defenders. Avengers, Alpha Flight, Earth-bound Inhumans, Deviants, Eternals, Asgardia, random Mystics, random Telepaths like Legion, Sentinels, all of the villains on Marvel Earth, random solo heroes like Spiderman... etc.

So once again the Controllers can not be off of the battle field and still be considered a part of the battle, because that would constitute an automatic BFR.

With all those heroes on Marvel Earth, why bother with the Controllers? Is a TP battle with the Controllers their only chance? I wouldn't think so, not with that lineup you listed.

IMO, going after the Controllers to stop the Darkstars is like going after Cyttorak to stop the Juggernaut. Just not the best option.

Originally posted by Faceless808
With all those heroes on Marvel Earth, why bother with the Controllers? Is a TP battle with the Controllers their only chance? I wouldn't think so, not with that lineup you listed.

IMO, going after the Controllers to stop the Darkstars is like going after Cyttorak to stop the Juggernaut. Just not the best option.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
the controllers are in a coma like state

I was mostly addressing Stoics obsession of attacking the Controllers. 🙂

Originally posted by Faceless808
I was mostly addressing Stoics obsession of attacking the Controllers. 🙂

With the aid of the Controllers, the Darkstars teleport the moment that an attack is launched against them and therefore evade the attack completely. I have issues with them being off of the battlefield, while also adhering to strict forum regulations. With the gimmick they actually have a chance of winning, but without it, their chances take a steep dive.

Needless to say, there are loads of characters on Marvel Earth. The question remains; Is there anyone on Marvel Earth that could possibly foil the invasion?

Another gripe of mine is that the Controllers are not inherently the Darkstars' original power setting, and as such, the Darkstars don't actually need the Controllers to continue being Darkstars, which in turn could be considered to be an outside amplification that could also be considered to go outside of the original post.

If the Controllers are permitted to play keep away for the Darkstars, it would mean that they are actually a part of this battle, and if so they would be required to remain on the battlefield.

The Original Post

Originally posted by Zack M
Minus the reality warpers/cosmics. Can Marvel's heroes defend itself from the Darkstars?

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As you can see, the battle takes place on Earth. If the Controllers are not on the battlefield no combatant on Earth would be able to venture off to get them, because if they did... Kabaam instant BFR. Therefore, the Controllers must be on the battlefield in order for us to keep things fair for all parties involved.

Controllers aren't standard knowledge. It's just the Darkstars.

Originally posted by Zack M
Controllers aren't standard knowledge. It's just the Darkstars.

And this fact somehow negates going against the rules of engagement in this forum? No. We know about the Controllers, and if they are to take part in this battle, they must be on the battlefield. If they are not on the battlefield they are nullified. The Juggernaut needs Cytorrak in order to be the Juggernaut, the Flash needs the Speed Force to be the Flash, Superman needs a yellow or white Sun to be Superman, Green Lanterns need a power ring to be Lanterns... The Darkstars do not need the Controllers to remain Darkstars.

The controllers would be a contributing factor to the battle, and if they are manipulating any part of the battle, they must too be on the battlefield. If not, anything that they do runs into a barrier.

They would be considered BFR'd the moment that the battle began.

Not for this battle. The rules have already been set. You can't change KMC rules.

Originally posted by Zack M
Not for this battle. The rules have already been set. You can't change KMC rules.

You constructed the OP Zack. Guess what I don't see in it? Yep no Controllers, just Darkstars. If you said the Darkstars and the Controllers vs Marvel Earth we would still be exactly where we still are presently.

The Controllers would have to be on Marvel Earth, which is where the battle is actually taking place. If an individual that you wanted to include in this battle were a part of this battle, they would still have to actually be on the battlefield, or they would be BFR'd.

What rules am I breaking again Zack? It seems like the only one breaking the rules or tying to, is you. Fighting the truth is a lot like kicking your own ass isn't it?

Exactly. No Controllers, just the Darkstars. Now you're getting it.

Originally posted by Zack M
Exactly. No Controllers, just the Darkstars. Now you're getting it.

Which means that the Darkstars do not have the power to relocate the moment before an attack is launched at them, because the Controllers would not actually be involved in any way with the battle. Glad we agree.

They still have the tactical teleportation and energy powers. More than enough to compete. 🙂