Originally posted by Philosophíaalternatively, a character can be stronger, faster, more durable, and more powerful and still do worse than the person that they're supposed to be above. Look at Manhunter as an example: he's supposed to be one of the most powerful superheroes ever, but everytime he's depicted around Superman, he gets shown up. I honestly think that power girl should be above Adam, but he always shows her up because he holds back less and the writers prefer to have a powerful leader be superior to her.
I was always curious who the 'stronger' one is, compared to him. It clearly implies physical strength (since it was talking about strength, speed and 'power' separately), but...I just don't see it. I'd assume Power Girl, due to this scene written by Geoff Johns:
http://i.imgur.com/LFMI11F.jpg
But, looking at their confrontations, it's impossible. Adam clearly looks stronger.
I think it's talking about Martian Manhunter.. [the writer of that issue is John Ostrander, who wrote him extensively].
So a good assumption of what was implied is that Jay is faster, J'onn stronger, and Thunderbolt more powerful.
Anyway, as far as the fight goes, I can see Adam giving him hell, but he goes down. Hulk is just too damn durable with that extra amount of staying power because of the healing factor.
Originally posted by abhilegendYes. But if we have to figure out who is stronger than Adam, it's either him or Power Girl.
Adam curbstomped J'onn in four punches in the same issue.
Originally posted by deathslashWell, in all of the attributes J'onn shares with Superman, he is inferior to one degree or another. And since the majority of fights involve those shared abilities, to one extent or the other, Superman will come off as considerably superior. The best thing for J'onn to do is to focus on his non-shared ones, like telepathy [and not go "AAAARGHHH" every time somebody feels rage] and shapeshifting.
alternatively, a character can be stronger, faster, more durable, and more powerful and still do worse than the person that they're supposed to be above. Look at Manhunter as an example: he's supposed to be one of the most powerful superheroes ever, but everytime he's depicted around Superman, he gets shown up. I honestly think that power girl should be above Adam, but he always shows her up because he holds back less and the writers prefer to have a powerful leader be superior to her.Anyway, as far as the fight goes, I can see Adam giving him hell, but he goes down. Hulk is just too damn durable with that extra amount of staying power because of the healing factor.
Black Adam and Power Girl was always weird, especially when you take into account Power Girl against Wonder Woman [who is, technically, Black Adam's equalish], in which PG is specifically at least as fast and strong, but then looks like The Thing against Hulk when she faces off against Adam.
It has to be MM. Or just the writer throwing that out just because and it really doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't take it literally though since Adam buttrapes MM in every way, but he's the only one beside Thunderbolt who it could possibly be referring to. But then again MM is the strongest hero ever by statements.
Originally posted by One Big MobWhile I think that it's the writer's intent that the statement is true, given who he is, it really is worth noting that's Martian Manhunter's narration.
It has to be MM. Or just the writer throwing that out just because and it really doesn't mean anything.I wouldn't take it literally though since Adam buttrapes MM in every way, but he's the only one beside Thunderbolt who it could possibly be referring to. But then again MM is the strongest hero ever by statements.
He's the reverse-Superman. Boasting about being as powerful as Superman [https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ffb1da3e4aa5fa43f623e37cdaf03b32] but getting assraped by everybody, from Supergirl to Superboy. Meanwhile, Superman gives lip service to basically anyone who even flexes, but is the one going no lube when things get hard.
Most people believe that just because it's WW Hulk that he's going to hold back, but not in this case. In this case he'd go for broke, and broke means that Black Adam's best punches would bounce harmlessly off of his skin and continue to become less and less potent as the seconds went by.
Why would he go for broke, and not hold back you ask? Well there wouldn't be any innocent bi-standers in a neutral setting. The cuffs would come off.
This is the very same Hulk that was taught to channel his rage and ramp up his all of his innate strengths on a whim. This is exactly why Adam would be the only one receiving damage.
All of that shit that was seen during the WW Hulk saga was based on a Hulk that was unwilling to do permanent damage to anyone.
Darksaint. The Hulk could have one shot killed all of the X-Men including the very planet that they stood on. Yes he only shook the Eastern Seaboard while walking, but he was holding back tremendously and begging for someone to stop him from going full postal.
This version of the Hulk would hurt Black Adam with the mere waves of power that he radiated. Never mind the idea that in a calmer state, he was able to tank a shot to the intestines from a being generating 133.5 Herc's worth of power. Even if we were to consider Herc as a demi or half deity, this number would still eclipse the numbers that Black Adam brings to this fight.
Black Adam is simply too puny to take on this version of the Hulk on neutral ground.
Originally posted by Stoic
Most people believe that just because it's WW Hulk that he's going to hold back, but not in this case. In this case he'd go for broke, and broke means that Black Adam's best punches would bounce harmlessly off of his skin and continue to become less and less potent as the seconds went by.Why would he go for broke, and not hold back you ask? Well there wouldn't be any innocent bi-standers in a neutral setting. The cuffs would come off.
This is the very same Hulk that was taught to channel his rage and ramp up his all of his innate strengths on a whim. This is exactly why Adam would be the only one receiving damage.
All of that shit that was seen during the WW Hulk saga was based on a Hulk that was unwilling to do permanent damage to anyone.
Darksaint. The Hulk could have one shot killed all of the X-Men including the very planet that they stood on. Yes he only shook the Eastern Seaboard while walking, but he was holding back tremendously and begging for someone to stop him from going full postal.
This version of the Hulk would hurt Black Adam with the mere waves of power that he radiated. Never mind the idea that in a calmer state, he was able to tank a shot to the intestines from a being generating 133.5 Herc's worth of power. Even if we were to consider Herc as a demi or half deity, this number would still eclipse the numbers that Black Adam brings to this fight.
Black Adam is simply too puny to take on this version of the Hulk on neutral ground.
My point was that WWH wasn't there to fight the X-Men - correct?
He wasn't there to waste time - correct?
He wanted to end things as quickly as possible - correct?
Without killing or doing any permanent damage.
So he's punching Beast. Wolverine. Emma. Rather than KO them in one punch (and thus, avoid long drawn out fights), or BFR them (like with Monet/Rockslide) he takes....multiple punches to put them down.
Whilst trying to put them down as quickly as possible.
This is using your logic of 'Black Adam only cracked Gardner's ribs, he's not all that!', btw.
So using that logic, a WWH who was the smartest Hulk ever, taught to channel his rage etc etc, who wasn't holding back, and was trying to end things as quickly as possible.....was unable to KO meta/street tier guys.
Originally posted by leonidas
meh, then you look at what happened with zom/strange and it's clear to me at least hulk had another level to go to if he really wanted to. /shrug
Originally posted by cdtm
I thought Pak said Strange was only tapping a small fraction of Zom's true power, not that he was holding back.
The Zomling CAN get to be full power Zom again if it absorbs enough mystic energy but nobody wants that.
