WWHulk Vs WW3 Black Adam

regardless. point is the damage he sustained and recovered from was enormous, including being punched clean through--twice. what is adam gonna do--punched clean through him more? and this whole strange stopped fighting thing isn't anything i agree with either. true, he stopped when the building collapsed, seemed to care, but he would have had to stop anyway to find hulk in the rubble and he had already apparently recovered from all that damage. not seeing how the fight would have been different with the exception strange would have likely killed the bystanders. strange certainly wasn't suddenly 'weaker' and it only tool hulk one time, one punch to turn things totally and irreversibly around. for those who haven't seen the fight in a while:

https://imgur.com/a/CKhlk8M

https://imgur.com/a/BbxV3V4

that showing was impressive as phukc imo, both for durability and strength, but also viciousness

as far as asteroid breaking force: not...really sure what to say about that. that can easily be turned around. hell power girl likely has striking feats to match adam somewhere. difference is hulk wouldn't be pulling his punches. and people seem to forget--this hulk was stronger than ALL hulks before him, and i know adam doesn't want to match striking feats with every hulk up til and before then....

slugfest i'd take hulk every time.

I noticed something in the scans Leo posted. When Hulk was pounding on Strange, Strange was still punching Hulk... Hulk was ignoring it. That's crazy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point was that WWH wasn't there to fight the X-Men - correct?

He wasn't there to waste time - correct?

He wanted to end things as quickly as possible - correct?

Without killing or doing any permanent damage.

So he's punching Beast. Wolverine. Emma. Rather than KO them in one punch (and thus, avoid long drawn out fights), or BFR them (like with Monet/Rockslide) he takes....multiple punches to put them down.

Whilst trying to put them down as quickly as possible.

This is using your logic of 'Black Adam only cracked Gardner's ribs, he's not all that!', btw.

So using that logic, a WWH who was the smartest Hulk ever, taught to channel his rage etc etc, who wasn't holding back, and was trying to end things as quickly as possible.....was unable to KO meta/street tier guys.

He was holding his punches back because he did not want to do any harm to them. It wasn't because he couldn't kill them. There's a difference. Like I said, in a forum setting that takes place on neutral ground, there is no reason for him to hold back against BA... none at all. The cuffs are off.

You've taken things completely out of context DS. No innocents to get in the way means that he can become as powerful as needed in order to KO Black Adam and remain within character. This same Hulk far exceeded Black Adam's output by a light year, so we know that this Hulk could have easily put out enough power to deal with any and all threats on Earth based on the fact that he held back drastically.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.

And when you look at BA hitting with a force greater than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, you realise that BA had another level he could've gone to.

A meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs? The Hulk destroyed planets without even touching them. These guys aren't remotely in the same weight class, even if you wanted to ignore the fact that he did this during HOTM, you'd be ignorant to believe that he couldn't raise his strength levels to heights above what you've mentioned about an extinction event.

Is DarkSaint for real? Hulk planted Emma in the ground so she couldn't escape or use her psychic powers, completely outsmarted her without breaking her in diamond form. When Beast took an actual punch from Hulk he had to be revived. Wolverine is Wolverine but still got brain damage in a few punches, if Hulk wanted to he could've just kicked Wolverine into another state.

Darwin (who has some crazy feats) powers best defence against Hulk was to be somewhere else, WWH was virtually unstoppable.

The only way BA wins is if someone stapled an innocent to the Hulk's left ass cheek.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was holding his punches back because he did not want to do any harm to them. It wasn't because he couldn't kill them. There's a difference. Like I said, in a forum setting that takes place on neutral ground, there is no reason for him to hold back against BA... none at all. The cuffs are off.

You've taken things completely out of context DS. No innocents to get in the way means that he can become as powerful as needed in order to KO Black Adam and remain within character. This same Hulk far exceeded Black Adam's output by a light year, so we know that this Hulk could have easily put out enough power to deal with any and all threats on Earth based on the fact that he held back drastically.

Not my point. Sorrow, this goes to you too.

Stoic's original point was that BA wasn't all that, because all he did was crack Gardner's rib(s).

My rebuttal was that, based on low showings, Hulk failed to end things quickly against metas and streets.

The same Hulk we're told is constantly running gamma maths, and thus should have one shotted everyone (yes, including Wolverine). NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT KILLING, lol.

If we're going to rely on BAs performance against Gardner as some kind of baseline, I am perfectly allowed to use Hulk's performance against Beast (who he failed to put down with a thunderclap), Wolverine (who he tried and failed to KO with one shot, or two, or three, despite saying many times how he was trying to keep things short and sweet), and I'm not even starting on the Teenage X-Men.

My point, which you and Sorrow don't grasp (and understandable for Sorrow as he's jumping in mid convo) is that we cannot rely on low showings as a baseline. Or on showings where the character fails to kill/severely injure a main character.

You want to bring Guy up as a baseline for BA? Sure, go ahead. Ignore BAs highs. Then I can ignore WWHs highs 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not my point. Sorrow, this goes to you too.

Stoic's original point was that BA wasn't all that, because all he did was crack Gardner's rib(s).--

You want to bring Guy up as a baseline for BA? Sure, go ahead. Ignore BAs highs. Then I can ignore WWHs highs 🙂

Did the auto-protect get forgotten or something during WWIII? 'Cuz "only" breaking Gardner's ribs isn't so bad given the auto-protect shields have protected against exploding planets, supernovas and black holes, among other things.

Sigh... Black Adam lows are far worse. I can easily post arrows going through him and I'm talking about this same Adam. It doesnt matter though because its dumb even arguing low showings.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not my point. Sorrow, this goes to you too.

Stoic's original point was that BA wasn't all that, because all he did was crack Gardner's rib(s).

My rebuttal was that, based on low showings, Hulk failed to end things quickly against metas and streets.

The same Hulk we're told is constantly running gamma maths, and thus should have one shotted everyone (yes, including Wolverine). NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT KILLING, lol.

If we're going to rely on BAs performance against Gardner as some kind of baseline, I am perfectly allowed to use Hulk's performance against Beast (who he failed to put down with a thunderclap), Wolverine (who he tried and failed to KO with one shot, or two, or three, despite saying many times how he was trying to keep things short and sweet), and I'm not even starting on the Teenage X-Men.

My point, which you and Sorrow don't grasp (and understandable for Sorrow as he's jumping in mid convo) is that we cannot rely on low showings as a baseline. Or on showings where the character fails to kill/severely injure a main character.

You want to bring Guy up as a baseline for BA? Sure, go ahead. Ignore BAs highs. Then I can ignore WWHs highs 🙂

I was going according to the dialog which stated that Back Adam was throwing lethal blows, which in my mind has him trying to kill the mofos that were in his way, and yet Guy Gardner with no type of shielding that I saw, survived with only some broken ribs.

Where did I say that Black Adam was not special or whatever you said that I said this? No need to go back and check, because I just did. I never once wrote those words.

And you'd like to play games now from what you've just stated about ignoring highs while paying great attention to lows. Well BA's highs were nothing that WW Hulk could not replicate with ease. BA fought a bunch of characters that were not out to kill him. He was the only one throwing lethal punches.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh... Black Adam lows are far worse. I can easily post arrows going through him and I'm talking about this same Adam. It doesnt matter though because its dumb even arguing low showings.

Go ahead.

I don't see how WWH can lose outside of bfr. There is no amount of damage Black Adam can do to actually put Hulk down. His damage soak and healing factor are way too much. Only Zeus was able to, but he is far more powerful than Black Adam, and the sheer magical power of his lightning was beating the shit out of Hulk's healing factor.

Black Adam can fly and is a lot faster but he fought like an efficient maniac, using sheer ferocity and brute force to get his way. That will end up with him getting two pieced by the Hulk. His facing someone who has an even greater damage soak, superior healing factor, and walks around at his strength level, but can become many times stronger at the mention of Caeira (Later retconned to him holding back).

Even Black Adam's greatest damage soak feat was during this era when he got a tesserract the size of a football field teleported into his brain....Green Scar inhaled that Olympian demon thing which was rated at 133 Hercules' (1 Hercules is Hercules' full power put into a punch IIRC)....which makes Black Adam look like an infant facing a Frost Giant...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Green Scar inhaled that Olympian demon thing which was rated at 133 Hercules' (1 Hercules is Hercules' full power put into a punch IIRC)....which makes Black Adam look like an infant facing a Frost Giant...

WWH, but it will be tough. I keep looking at that lineup BA faced and it was damned impressive.

ermm

Chaos War Abomination incapacitated Hulk with just a throat cut and Brian Banner did the same with a blast of hellfire.

To say Hulk would just ignore anything Adam would do and two piece him? Laughable.

Before World War 3, Adam was taking on a handful of trans beings (Sentinel, Dr. Fate, and Hourman). He's been a beast even before WW 3.

Originally posted by Zack M
Go ahead.

Ok

https://m.vk.com/photo-116553132_421801815?list=post-116553132_2787

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Chaos War Abomination incapacitated Hulk with just a throat cut and Brian Banner did the same with a blast of hellfire.

To say Hulk would just ignore anything Adam would do and two piece him? Laughable.

He was amped by freaking Chaos King to unknown levels. I need for you to be consistent or I will spam post Superman getting dropped by amped being as evidence of him being weak. Stop trolling.

Lol...hell fire. How powerful was it? Black Adam was shot through by arrows which I guess means Hulk would turn him into dust with a single punch.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok

https://m.vk.com/photo-116553132_421801815?list=post-116553132_2787

LOL! Those aren't regular arrows, dummy.

Originally posted by carver9
He was amped by freaking Chaos King to unknown levels. I need for you to be consistent or I will spam post Superman getting dropped by amped being as evidence of him being weak. Stop trolling.

Lol...hell fire. How powerful was it? Black Adam was shot through by arrows which I guess means Hulk would turn him into dust with a single punch.

It didn't even do much to red she hulk or Hiroim.

And just two punctures to gut took him out.

Originally posted by carver9
He was amped by freaking Chaos King to unknown levels. I need for you to be consistent or I will spam post Superman getting dropped by amped being as evidence of him being weak. Stop trolling.

Lol...hell fire. How powerful was it? Black Adam was shot through by arrows which I guess means Hulk would turn him into dust with a single punch.