Originally posted by abhilegend
To novices like Rachel maybe. Imra would fry her.You're telling me Xavier suddenly connected with everyone in the universe while he was powerless?
Xavier has one such feat making it quite an outlier. Imra has several such feats.
Xavier can't even read Mystique due to her shape-shifting mind. Imra has mindraped Durlans like nothing.
No, I'm saying his powers were returned and, before reigning them in, they reached out to universe wide lengths.
Yet, she has nowhere near the quantity/quality of mindcontrol feats or showings/comparisons against other high order telepaths.
Mystique, under that interpretation, would resist anyone. Imra was left catatonic after mindbattling one particular Durlan, and failed to control a crowd of flatscans if we want to lowball.
Don't fall for Prepmans Saturn Girl crush. Saturn Queen has accomplished less than Emma Frost, yet it took the two strongest Saturn Girls just to stalemate her. And they couldn't even block her thoughts.
If J'onn wasn't created solely to lose, he'd beat her too.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
He beats them all.
I'm not 100% about Saturn Girl
Saturn Girl is like a telepathic Gamora or Drax. Once you really dig, you see there's a lot of undeserved hype. She not quite as mainstream so it's understandable, but her resume isn't exactly stacked...
Originally posted by Zack M
There is also the legion of three worlds feat, too. That's way out of xaviers league.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Imra would lose to Rachel at this point. Emma likely would too, as Rachel's been outperforming her. Her skills finally caught up to her power, and she got an upgrade on top of that.
Meh, Rachel would find a way to lose. She always does.
No, I'm saying his powers were returned and, before reigning them in, they reached out to universe wide lengths.
False. His telepathy was activated by immersed in the thoughts of the universe.
Not to mention that Imra has done that kind of feat thrice.
Yet, she has nowhere near the quantity/quality of mindcontrol feats or showings/comparisons against other high order telepaths.
Show me a telepath who can do what she has done. Even Xavier hasn't done insane feats like she has done.
Mystique, under that interpretation, would resist anyone. Imra was left catatonic after mindbattling one particular Durlan, and failed to control a crowd of flatscans if we want to lowball.
Haha, no. She wouldn't do do that against Imra.
Issue number?
Don't fall for Prepmans Saturn Girl crush. Saturn Queen has accomplished less than Emma Frost, yet it took the two strongest Saturn Girls just to stalemate her. And they couldn't even block her thoughts.
I'm the original Legion fan here.
You're trying to lowball Saturn Girl in a series where She scanned the entire multiverse to bring an infinite number of LOSH to fight Time Trapper?
Emma would be lucky to polish Imra's psychic boots.
If J'onn wasn't created solely to lose, he'd beat her too.
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That's why she already fried his mind.
Even Saturn Queen killed J'onn outright.
Saturn Girl is like a telepathic Gamora or Drax. Once you really dig, you see there's a lot of undeserved hype. She not quite as mainstream so it's understandable, but her resume isn't exactly stacked...
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then no, it's not. If I'm in a room that has doors opening directly to every KMCer's house, I can shout to all you pretty easily. It doesn't mean my voice is crazy powerful.
How about no she didn't do anything like that. She had to mindlink infinite number of LOSH across time and space to convince them to come to her.
Nate Grey is wanked to the moon for a far lesser feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
False. His telepathy was activated by immersed in the thoughts of the universe.Show me a telepath who can do what she has done. Even Xavier hasn't done insane feats like she has done.
Issue number?
I'm the original Legion fan here.
You're trying to lowball Saturn Girl in a series where She scanned the entire multiverse to bring an infinite number of LOSH to fight Time Trapper?
Likewise, she has never replicate Xavier mind controlling planets. She can scan a wide distance. That's it. When push came to shove, and she actually fought a barely Emma-level telepath in Saturn Queen, Imra came up short. Scanning feats mean very little on their own, especially when you struggle with much, much less.
It's not relevant now. I didn't know which Imra we were going with. That was Earth 247.
Liking the Legion is different from living deep within Saturn Girl's anus though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why she already fried his mind.Even Saturn Queen killed J'onn outright.
How about no she didn't do anything like that. She had to mindlink infinite number of LOSH across time and space to convince them to come to her.
Different Saturn Queen. Diffrent J'onn, who had just literally been brought to life seconds before. We have no clue what his powers were or to what extent they were. It's a non-feat.
Mindlinking with all the doors laid out in front of her. Neato.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mind you, universo put everyone on Earth asleep at once.And Imra made him beg for his life.
Remind me of the time Xavier had such a feat? Oh right, the last time everyone on Earth was asleep, he, Moondragon and Jean Grey combined couldn't undo it.
And that Universo is a hypnotist, not a telepath. It's not really applicable vs Xavier as hypnotism has always occupied a separate space in comics. This feat may come in handy if Imra squares off with Sauron I guess.
Call me when Universo, or Saturn Girl, can steal the psyches of the entire planet like Xavier can.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Remind me of the time Xavier had such a feat? Oh right, the last time everyone on Earth was asleep, he, Moondragon and Jean Grey combined couldn't undo it.
Jean/Xavier/Moondragon/Psylocke were literally sitting in another reality battling the Magus. Once they projected into their reality(with amps), they were still hundreds of lightyears from Earth and managed to mind control people. Magus was also assaulting Earth, so it was a double whammy.
https://postimg.cc/image/82nyuunhj/
https://postimg.cc/image/r7r84m9vb/
https://postimg.cc/image/tcbl643wn/
Trying to spin that as some kind of low feat is just ignoring context. It's not a relevant feat regardless though.
Originally posted by Zack M
That Universo was a telepath. He was called the most dangerous telepath in the universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
so where are these universal feats for imra? you know, for those who haven't seen them....
Already posted several times. But here you go. Mindlinking across the multiverse.
http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpg
Scanning the universe.
http://i.imgur.com/ZBUTXKc.jpg
Tapping into the thoughts of every single being in the universe.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Except, like last time, that is not what the narration says. You simply dislike it.
Why would I dislike the scene?
Likewise, she has never replicate Xavier mind controlling planets. She can scan a wide distance. That's it. When push came to shove, and she actually fought a barely Emma-level telepath in Saturn Queen, Imra came up short. Scanning feats mean very little on their own, especially when you struggle with much, much less.
How is Saturn Queen Emma level telepath? She outright killed J'onn who has done pretty much everything Xavier has done TP wise.
You're randomly assigning tiers to characters who have no such designations.
And how did Imra came up short?
It's not relevant now. I didn't know which Imra we were going with. That was Earth 247.
Wut? That's Earth 0 Imra.
Liking the Legion is different from living deep within Saturn Girl's anus though.
So does blowing muties.
No, she didn't. He was standing there and she surprise psi_bolted him. They didn't fight. He didn't even go down. It just hurt. It's like me punching you while you're reading a book.
She pushed him away from reading Mon-El and J'onn subsided like the ***** he is.
Different Saturn Queen. Diffrent J'onn, who had just literally been brought to life seconds before. We have no clue what his powers were or to what extent they were. It's a non-feat.
That's the same Saturn Queen. She was an aberration.
And she had shut his mind down in the first instance as well.
Mindlinking with all the doors laid out in front of her. Neato.
Nate Grey is blowed upon a far inferior feat.
Mind showing any comparable feat for Xavier or Emma, eh?
Originally posted by StyleTime
He didn't do it at once. It was gradual, which was even stated in your scan.
Wut?
https://s33.postimg.cc/6ohcoux6n/image.jpg
His memory states it was all at once.
Imra questions it, nothing more.
And that Universo is a hypnotist, not a telepath. It's not really applicable vs Xavier as hypnotism has always occupied a separate space in comics. This feat may come in handy if Imra squares off with Sauron I guess.
She still had to fend off all the power of Universo.
Call me when Universo, or Saturn Girl, can steal the psyches of the entire planet like Xavier can.
Heh, J'onn has already done it.
And he gets killed by Saturn Queen.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Forgot about this.Jean/Xavier/Moondragon/Psylocke were literally sitting in another reality battling the Magus. Once they projected into their reality(with amps), they were still hundreds of lightyears from Earth and managed to mind control people. Magus was also assaulting Earth, so it was a double whammy.
https://postimg.cc/image/82nyuunhj/
https://postimg.cc/image/r7r84m9vb/
https://postimg.cc/image/tcbl643wn/
They had a conduit in Sleepwalker and all they did was project their thoughts in Earth populace.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Sleepwalker/Issue-18?id=65445
They did not mindcontrol anyone.
Also she has literally turned a character with power of both Darkseid and Mordru to dust by his own thoughts turned into reality.
That's beyond anything Xavier has ever shown, it's basically reality warping with telepathy.
Coincidentally, Dev-Em was stated to be actually a titanian who gave himself kryptonian powers by just wishing it.
And Imra is even more powerful than him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would I dislike the scene?How is Saturn Queen Emma level telepath? She outright killed J'onn who has done pretty much everything Xavier has done TP wise.
You're randomly assigning tiers to characters who have no such designations.
And how did Imra came up short?
As I said, different Saturn Queen from the one Imra fought. And it was an alternate timeline J'onn that was literally just brought to life.
It's not random. Saturn Queen(Short Hair, Final Crisis) hasn't actually done anything Emma couldn't do or exceed.
She needed help to face SQ, and still failed to block her.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? That's Earth 0 Imra.So does blowing muties.
She pushed him away from reading Mon-El and J'onn subsided like the ***** he is.
That's the same Saturn Queen. She was an aberration.
And she had shut his mind down in the first instance as well.
Nate Grey is blowed upon a far inferior feat.
Mind showing any comparable feat for Xavier or Emma, eh?
Meh, I haven't seen anything on the level of Prep for the mutants. Some overhype for some characters sure, but nothing like this.
J'onn's a ***** I agree, but still, ultimately not a meaningful showing. They weren't even fighting.
Nah, it's a different chick.
Comparable to what? I'd consider Xavier's planet feats superior personally, as he's not essentially standing in a room opening directly to those places, and it was actual mind control. Emma has controlled folks from the other side of the globe as well.
It's really just more evidence Saturn Girl can broadcast over a wide range though, which we knew already.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They had a conduit in Sleepwalker and all they did was project their thoughts in Earth populace.https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Sleepwalker/Issue-18?id=65445
They did not mindcontrol anyone.
Yes, they did mind control people. They state it in the scans I posted earlier. That said, it's not important either way as we can't use the feat here. I just wanted to clear up the misconception.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Forgot about this.Jean/Xavier/Moondragon/Psylocke were literally sitting in another reality battling the Magus. Once they projected into their reality(with amps), they were still hundreds of lightyears from Earth and managed to mind control people. Magus was also assaulting Earth, so it was a double whammy.
https://postimg.cc/image/82nyuunhj/
https://postimg.cc/image/r7r84m9vb/
https://postimg.cc/image/tcbl643wn/Trying to spin that as some kind of low feat is just ignoring context. It's not a relevant feat regardless though.
I'm 99% sure you're thinking of Earth 247, in which he and Saturn Girl were amped off of Titanet, but where was this?
Where did it State they were amped? I think they used some sort of tech to trap him, but Irma placed illusions in him, tp wise. He was still a telepath.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Cuz you're our lovable abhilegend.
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I started as an X men fan.
As I said, different Saturn Queen from the one Imra fought. And it was an alternate timeline J'onn that was literally just brought to life.
Wrong on both counts. It was main earth J'onn who was killed earlier by Saturn Queen and then brought back.
It's not random. Saturn Queen(Short Hair, Final Crisis) hasn't actually done anything Emma couldn't do or exceed.
Except kill J'onn.
She needed help to face SQ, and still failed to block her.
If that's your only card here, I can brought up dozens of scenes for either Emma or Xavier where they look like dirt.
PF Emma couldn't even stop Thunderbolt Ross from hulking out when he has been explicitly stated to have no mental defenses.
I meant the showing I brought up.
Which one?
Meh, I haven't seen anything on the level of Prep for the mutants. Some overhype for some characters sure, but nothing like this.
Because you don't want to see it.
J'onn's a ***** I agree, but still, ultimately not a meaningful showing. They weren't even fighting.
Of course. Because you say so, eh?
Nah, it's a different chick.
No, it wasn't.
Comparable to what? I'd consider Xavier's planet feats superior personally, as he's not essentially standing in a room opening directly to those places, and it was actual mind control. Emma has controlled folks from the other side of the globe as well.
Imra wasn't standing in a room either. She had to scan entire multiverse for the Legions.
Imra doesn't go around controlling people because she is not a douchebag like Xavier or Emma.
But piss her off and she would straight up destroy beings with the power of Darkseid and Mordru.
And only you would think controlling a few people better than scanning entire multiverse.
It's really just more evidence Saturn Girl can broadcast over a wide range though, which we knew already.
And kill with it too.
Xavier can neither match her scope nor skill.
Show me Xavier drawing out subconscious of herald level characters by just a look.
Because they were an entire reality away. It's why they needed tech.
https://postimg.cc/image/no5aetuav/
And when they found a path, all of their power could do nothing to hyptonized people.
While Imra can straight up kick the ass of a being who could put entire planet in a trance.
Yes, they did mind control people. They state it in the scans I posted earlier. That said, it's not important either way as we can't use the feat here. I just wanted to clear up the misconception.
A few people. Their combined power did nothing to hyptonized people of the planet.
