Trump White House cuts Putin support for Trump out of transcript

Originally posted by The Lost
If you have to walk someone through why this is bad, they're unequipped for a discussion about it. Of course, this won't stop Surtur from going on and on like a deranged Energizer bunny. Just thought I'd mention it.

And this is what I mean about the hysteria. Though some will pat you on the back for this comment...nobody actually said this was not bad. Therein lies the lunacy of this lol. You are unhinged and had to go step by step over something nobody even disagreed with in the first place.

Read the words I am saying: the sheer hysteria over Trump is getting to record levels and it is doing real harm. Real issues *like the one in this thread* get engulfed in the tidal wave of insanity we are seeing.

It doesn't matter if you or I think Surtur might be unintelligent. He is still a U.S. Citizen, and I think he has to understand why this is so dangerous.

This right here is grounds for impeachment imo. I don't care if it was Obama, Hillary, or Trump. This right here is grounds for impeachment IF we know Trump had a hand in it. Of course, plenty of room for denial and scapegoating on some poor White House staffer to distance himself but WTF man.

I thought the Russia thing was a little overblown but going to these lengths? Man, I had no doubt Russia interfered and helped Trump win. Putin can't even help himself, he is who he is. But now I genuinely think there is some super shady shit going on BOTH sides outside of Manafort and those other idiots.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol christ almighty. It's not even just MSNBC. I don't want Trump to win in 2020. Yet his approval rating is apparently now at the highest it has ever been.

Why? Cuz of the god damn hysteria surrounding everything. And that is what I don't want to see occur for the stories where we legitimately need to be worried about.

The hysteria is completely out of control. Deal with that fact.

It doesn't matter. Pundits and biased news organizations are irrelevant.

They are mostly the remnant idiots on a sinking ship while everyone with real intelligence more or less has adapted to alternative forms of media.

This has NOTHING to do with this particular thread. Start a new one. Please, for the love of your own country and liberty: Let it go.

Recognize the milestone where bipartisan politics STOPS mattering.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It doesn't matter if you or I think Surtur might be unintelligent. He is still a U.S. Citizen, and I think he has to understand why this is so dangerous.

This right here is grounds for impeachment imo. I don't care if it was Obama, Hillary, or Trump. This right here is grounds for impeachment IF we know Trump had a hand in it. Of course, plenty of room for denial and scapegoating on some poor White House staffer to distance himself but WTF man.

I thought the Russia thing was a little overblown but going to these lengths? Man, I had no doubt Russia interfered and helped Trump win. Putin can't even help himself, he is who he is. But now I genuinely think there was collusion.

At this point you have to be trolling. I never said this wasn't wrong. I never said it wasn't disturbing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It doesn't matter. Pundits and biased news organizations are irrelevant.

They are mostly the remnant idiots on a sinking ship while everyone with real intelligence more or less has adapted to alternative forms of media.

This has NOTHING to do with this particular thread. Start a new one. Please, for the love of your own country and liberty: Let it go.

Recognize the milestone where bipartisan politics STOPS mattering.

Lol you know what you people are insane. "For the love of your country and liberty let it go".

Jesus.

Originally posted by Surtur
At this point you have to be trolling. I never said this wasn't wrong. I never said it wasn't disturbing.

Stop hamstering. If it is bad, elaborate. Discuss it. Give us your opinion on it. We are now on the second page discussing something irrelevant to the OP.

Can we move on and discuss the issue at hand? Give us a break down on how bad you think this is.

The blatant misinformation and propaganda.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol you know what you people are insane. "For the love of your country and liberty let it go".

Jesus.

"People"?

All I'm asking you is to STFU about the crazy radical leftists. Watch the video in full and discuss the current issue at hand.

I'm saying "let it go." Don't forget about, forgive it, or assume it is irrelevant. Because it is relevant, and their idiocy is one of the reasons you have this clown as President. I'm saying for this singular moment in time, divorce your political baggage from the discussion at hand.

You've done this plenty of times here. Are you unable to just discuss the issue at hand without dragging anything else into it in this moment? Even if you feel like the radical left isn't able to, are you not better than those idiots?

Originally posted by Surtur
And this is what I mean about the hysteria. Though some will pat you on the back for this comment...nobody actually said this was not bad. Therein lies the lunacy of this lol. You are unhinged and had to go step by step over something nobody even disagreed with in the first place.

Read the words I am saying: the sheer hysteria over Trump is getting to record levels and it is doing real harm. Real issues *like the one in this thread* get engulfed in the tidal wave of insanity we are seeing.

You know what? I'm feeling charitable and I'm willing to give you another shot, okay?

I love MSNBC though. These people compared the Putin summit to Pearl Harbor and Kristallnacht.

Which hysteria is like that is why nobody gives a shit about this, it's why nobody gives a shit about Russia or Putin. Whenever Trump does something worthy of criticism utter lunatics take it too far and nobody but whiny leftists end up giving a shit.

Do I like everything goes on with Russia? Nope, but the hysteria is so out of control it's the most pathetic thing in the world. It overshadows any legit gripes anyone might have.

You said it "overshadows" legit gripes. In what UNIVERSE does a commentator making a comparison you took out of context (second time in like a few hours I've seen you take someone out of context) have priority over...

*drum roll*

... One of the most powerful developed nations on Earth feeding disinformation to the public through a GOVERNMENT website?

How is what you'd label "hysteria" (it's not because people have a justified reason to be outraged, at the very least, by what happened) worse than what the Trump administration did?

Explain yourself. It's your last chance to do it, at least with me.

There's an entire topic dedicated to Trump's presidency.

And yes, people: people like you. Who act hysterical. I was responding to comment about MSNBC, but it was about the overall hysteria at large.

And the response was...for people to get hysterical and start saying I said people can't criticize Trump and that I don't think this is bad.

This happened.

Originally posted by Surtur
There's an entire topic dedicated to Trump's presidency.

And yes, people: people like you. Who act hysterical. I was responding to comment about MSNBC, but it was about the overall hysteria at large.

And the response was...for people to get hysterical and start saying I said people can't criticize Trump and that I don't think this is bad.

This happened.

Okay, so, I'll leave the offer open for a bit if you want to try again later. Please read what you've said and how I've responded and at least attempt to digest it because this is just absurd now.

I'm not playing the weasel-word game so figure it out.

Originally posted by The Lost
You know what? I'm feeling charitable and I'm willing to give you another shot, okay?

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You said it "overshadows" legit gripes. In what UNIVERSE does a commentator making a comparison you took out of context (second time in like a few hours I've seen you take someone out of context) have priority over...

*drum roll*

... One of the most powerful developed nations on Earth feeding disinformation to the public through a GOVERNMENT website?

How is what you'd label "hysteria" (it's not because people have a justified reason to be outraged, at the very least, by what happened) worse than what the Trump administration did?

Explain yourself. It's your last chance to do it, at least with me.

The commentator is just one part of it. Just an example I used.

Originally posted by The Lost
Okay, so, I'll leave the offer open for a bit if you want to try again later. Please read what you've said and how I've responded and at least attempt to digest it because this is just absurd now.

I'm not playing the weasel-word game so figure it out.

You can have issues with my original comment, but I have further elaborated on what I am talking about. Yes, this does bother me, I do see it as bad. And I'm afraid of it just being a single drop in the ocean of outrage that surrounds this man.

Originally posted by Surtur
You can have issues with my original comment, but I have further elaborated on what I am talking about. Yes, this does bother me, I do see it as bad. And I'm afraid of it just being a single drop in the ocean of outrage that surrounds this man.

No, you didn't "elaborate." You said the MSNBC lady's comparison "overshadowed legit gripes" people might have about...

Oh no...

NOT AGAIN...

... One of the most powerful developed nations on Earth feeding disinformation to the public through a GOVERNMENT website?

So, no, it didn't overshadow a goddamn thing and it's not even relevant anyway and I don't care if you see it as bad because you went off about some MSNBC contributor's comparison and just said, "Yeah, this is bad too." You're playing down what Trump has done here.

Anyway, Wine-Banks was discussing when Trump sided with Putin about Russian election interference, which happened. Then, she said she felt it would live in infamy with other enormous historical events. Is it because she was on MSNBC and Maddow was discussing the White House website shit on MSNBC? Is that, like, the connection you did there?

So, comments about a Pearl Harbor comparison overshadows Trump agreeing that there wasn't election interference by Russia with the guy who was BEHIND it and Trump's administration purposely putting blatant disinformation on their website? The WHOLE point is that this is NOT hysteria. It's not an overreaction. It's a justified reaction to more tremendously awful shit.

You're trying to distract from that and it's an indirect way of saying, "This is worse." Do you know what "overshadow" means? Christ almighty. Why are you like this?

Originally posted by The Lost
No, you didn't "elaborate." You said the MSNBC lady's comparison "overshadowed legit gripes" people might have about...

Oh no...

NOT AGAIN...

... One of the most powerful developed nations on Earth feeding disinformation to the public through a GOVERNMENT website?

So, no, it didn't overshadow a goddamn thing and it's not even relevant anyway and I don't care if you see it as bad because you went off about some MSNBC contributor's comparison and just said, "Yeah, this is bad too." You're playing down what Trump has done here.

Anyway, Wine-Banks was discussing when Trump sided with Putin about Russian election interference, which happened. Then, she said she felt it would live in infamy with other enormous historical events. Is it because she was on MSNBC and Maddow was discussing the White House website shit on MSNBC? Is that, like, the connection you did there?

So, comments about a Pearl Harbor comparison overshadows Trump agreeing that there wasn't election interference by Russia with the guy who was BEHIND it and Trump's administration purposely putting blatant disinformation on their website? The WHOLE point is that this is NOT hysteria. It's not an overreaction. It's a justified reaction to more tremendously awful shit.

You're trying to distract from that and it's an indirect way of saying, "This is worse." Do you know what "overshadow" means? Christ almighty. Why are you like this?

The entire point is that when you're hysterical about everything the truly important stuff just gets lost.

But keep going.

Originally posted by Surtur
The entire point is that when you're hysterical about everything the truly important stuff just gets lost.

But keep going.

Most people who characterize "hysterical" behavior as, say, an irrational outburst out of fear. The part I struggle to get behind is the "irrational" portion of that.

Do you not understand the ramifications of what this administration is doing to America? Are you just ignoring it? There is a justifiable reason as to why people are exploding at this news. It's a big fucking deal and your contribution to it has been, "Yeah, but, the left too."

I have trouble sleeping. Give me some tips on how you do it.

Originally posted by Surtur
The entire point is that when you're hysterical about everything the truly important stuff just gets lost.

But keep going.

Hey man, did you watch the entire video The Lost posted?

I've fact checked everything she referenced. The shit is terrifying man.

50 years ago, this would be like the worst case scenario. Hilary might be shit, but I genuinely believe, Trump is compromised to some degree.

Originally posted by The Lost
Most people who characterize "hysterical" behavior as, say, an irrational outburst out of fear. The part I struggle to get behind is the "irrational" portion of that.

Do you not understand the ramifications of what this administration is doing to America? Are you just ignoring it? There is a justifiable reason as to why people are exploding at this news. It's a big fucking deal and your contribution to it has been, "Yeah, but, the left too."

I have trouble sleeping. Give me some tips on how you do it.

Lol dude once again: I understand what is going on. I am saying the utter hysteria surrounding everything Trump is doing real damage.

It is a big deal, but we now live in a society that has made everything about Trump a massive story and that is doing harm.

You got super triggered over me posting this. I've explained myself multiple times now. Nobody is stopping you from furthering the discussion on this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hey man, did you watch the entire video The Lost posted?

I've fact checked everything she referenced. The shit is terrifying man.

50 years ago, this would be like the worst case scenario. Hilary might be shit, but I genuinely believe, Trump is compromised to some degree.

If you truly feel this way you should be agreeing with me. I'm serious lol. It's not just a commentator on MSNBC, even though The Lost has decided to hone in on that...for me that is one example. Just one. But there is constant hysteria over Trump and everything he does. I feel this does damage. I feel this distracts from legitimately disturbing things.

We will hear more about these friggin Michael Cohen recordings about some porn star than we will about this story in the MSM. THAT SHOULD SCARE YOU. If you are truly this terrified, that should scare you even more. But you just refuse to see it, why?

Originally posted by Surtur
If you truly feel this way you should be agreeing with me. I'm serious lol. It's not just a commentator on MSNBC, even though The Lost has decided to hone in on that...for me that is one example. Just one. But there is constant hysteria over Trump and everything he does. I feel this does damage. I feel this distracts from legitimately disturbing things.

We will hear more about these friggin Michael Cohen recordings about some porn star than we will about this story in the MSM. THAT SHOULD SCARE YOU. If you are truly this terrified, that should scare you even more. But you just refuse to see it, why?

I get what you're saying. I do.

If you create so much noise over idiocy, you lose sight of the real picture.

My man, I think in the next 6-12 months, Russia is going to slowly try and dismantle the confidence your military has in the military chain of command.

You need to not underestimate how terrible the Russian military industrial complex is. One of the reasons we won the cold war was because defectors were terrified at the worst-case scenario plans the USSR was putting together and very willing to use. Such as nuking their neighbors to the South-East to limit access of US troops etc.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol dude once again: I understand what is going on. I am saying the utter hysteria surrounding everything Trump is doing real damage.

It is a big deal, but we now live in a society that has made everything about Trump a massive story and that is doing harm.

You got super triggered over me posting this. I've explained myself multiple times now. Nobody is stopping you from furthering the discussion on this.

Trump does negative newsworthy shit on the constant so how is that doing harm if it's fucking accurate? Again, the "real harm" is talking about... the real harm, just like the left are the "real racists." This shit is tiresome.

Why wouldn't the shit that one of the most powerful and influential figures in the world does NOT end up being massive stories a large portion of the time? He's the POTUS.

What about this isn't resonating? Again, you're talking about the "hysteria" that's doing the "real damage" but most sane people would say the real damage is the government spreading misinformation on purpose.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I get what you're saying. I do.

If you create so much noise over idiocy, you lose sight of the real picture.

My man, I think in the next 6-12 months, Russia is going to slowly try and dismantle the confidence your military has in the military chain of command.

You need to not underestimate how terrible the Russian military industrial complex is. One of the reasons we won the cold war was because defectors were terrified at the worst-case scenario plans the USSR was putting together and very willing to use. Such as nuking their neighbors to the South-East to limit access of US troops etc.

I agree we need not underestimate Russia. But we won't from a few years ago people laughing at Mitt Romney over Russia to...the hysteria we are hit with. Day in and day out.

Hysteria. 24/7. We are being bombarded with this shit. Accusations of nazis, fascism, hitler, and who the hell else knows. Claims of treason(something punishable by death here).

I think this entire thing is just as dangerous as anything any other country can do to us. People are unhinged. Mob violence is now becoming something you hear about more and more it seems.