Why is prostitution illegal?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Pretty much this.

I'm just saying they're lazy is all. I would never want a world without hookers, but I'm not going to pretend they're doing such a hard job.

Maybe off a dry spell. If you're ****ing multiple times a day for set intervals or lower, you're not going to be too worn and torn from it. Especially if a lot of times it's just a bj or the dude is doing everything (anal), or if you're a super lazy hooker.
The biggest thing is the core after a dry spell.

Eh. Maybe if I'm wrestling them. Plus guys have to do more during sex anyway and burn more calories which still isn't much. A good hooker might burn 500 extra calories a day if she's lucky. That's not a lot, but it sure is for the worthless amount of calories sex burns.

Getting into modelling and movies is not very easy. You can become a hooker today and make money. Good luck getting into any sort of runway show or movie within five years. Not to mention they have schools that cost real money for both. People's whole lives have been destroyed trying to break into acting and failing. You wasted a lot of money and got nowhere. Imagine a Hooker having to go to hooking school and spends tens of thousands of dollars while having to do better than all the other hooker students and she just never gets her big break after a period of 5-10 years. She made no money and worked too long of hours away from her family. Her husband left her because her drive of becoming a great hooker surpassed her time with her family. Poor hooker with her drive and determination.

The appeal to hooking is the money AND they're lazy. It's not exactly seperate. You're already a whore and you just want to sit around doing coke all day, ever thought of hooking? Now you like meth and hooking and you pushed everyone out of your life.

The thing with these comparisons is that you're contrasting it with jobs that require skills vs a job that requires nothing. Not even work. If a Jessica Alba hooker popped up that laid there like a dead fish, she would still make massive amounts of money. Not every hooker is going to be a great lay. And not every hooker is going to be treated like she's on Facial Abuse. A lot of the times the bare minimum is exactly what happens. You think a hooker is going to burn herself out getting plowed? She has a couple more clients to get through.

But that's not what I'm speaking of in the last part. I'm saying these hookers aren't getting treated like dirt more often than not. They're not enduring monster dicks up the ass for more than they can handle because they can and will cut you off the second they exit their comfort zone. They have stress from what they're comfortable with and what they allow. And they are perfectly comfortable with strange men inside them.

And a hooker quitting a client will only lead her to find another in the same day. A human being quitting a job will lead to a sometimes lengthy job search. A hooker quitting her job will lead her to the same. Congrats, life is normal again.

I again have no doubt they have mental stress, but it's from something they're comfortable with. They're not getting raped. They like having sex with strangers and making money. They have gotten used to it. The same way you got used to driving a car or something. Sure it's scary at first, but after a while it's second nature. And they have rules in place to keep them in that comfort zone. It's not all monster dicks and cheesy cocks. If they don't want something, it's not happening. And they get a small retainer for it without anything happening.
The boss isn't yelling at them while they try their hardest to jack that dick off. They just have to take a penis up the rectum from someone they have no attraction to. And the meth helps.

Also no mental effort. Trying to design a building that doesn't fall down is not the same as wondering how long until this guy ejaculates into my face.

In general guys do more, but not always. I have no doubt that there are hookers who spend more time riding certain clients than vice versa. And if you're not putting in a lot of physical effort during sex, then IMO you're not doing it right lol. There should be a large part of your sheet that's wet from sweat alone when you're done.

Good sex IS a skill. I know because I've slept with my share of girls who just layed there and I've heard of plenty of guys who are minute men. I'm in no way suggesting that every hooker is going to rock your world and give you mind blowing sex, simply that such hookers exist. Not all models and actors work for their job either, Pam Anderson got discovered on a big screen at a baseball game and immediately went to work. There are plenty of terrible actresses who get jobs simply by being pretty and/or showing their boobs. Some work hard to be successful, and some don't. My point is that you can't say all prostitutes are lazy when some put real effort in maintaining their appearance and showing their clients a good time.

And again, ALL people look for jobs that they can handle the mental rigors of, that doesn't change take away from the mental rigors of the job in question. I seriously doubt that everyone could handle the life of a hooker, especially the ones who actually work at it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Being conditioned to be able to handle physical exertion doesn't change the amount of work being done. Otherwise pro athletes would lose points since they're physically conditioned to handle the game.

In general guys do more, but not always. I have no doubt that there are hookers who spend more time riding certain clients than vice versa. And if you're not putting in a lot of physical effort during sex, then IMO you're not doing it right lol. There should be a large part of your sheet that's wet from sweat alone when you're done.

Good sex IS a skill. I know because I've slept with my share of girls who just layed there and I've heard of plenty of guys who are minute men. I'm in no way suggesting that every hooker is going to rock your world and give you mind blowing sex, simply that such hookers exist. Not all models and actors work for their job either, Pam Anderson got discovered on a big screen at a baseball game and immediately went to work. Some work hard to be successful, and some don't. My point is that you can't say all prostitutes are lazy when some put real effort in maintaining their appearance and showing their clients a good time.

And again, ALL people look for jobs that they can handle the mental rigors of, that doesn't change take away from the mental rigors of the job in question. I seriously doubt that everyone could handle the life of a hooker, especially the ones who actually work at it.

It's really not something I look at as "hard" if you will. I work out too, so that might minimize it. I sweat from all sorts of things, and sex might be the least taxing of it all. A side note because I just remembered a goliath... but you know how many fat out of shape whores there are? I don't know what it's like to be obese or a girl, but if these large whores are doing it all the time, it can't be too taxing for in shape hookers. Especially when they can do it multiple times a day.
I couldn't deadlift twice a day, but I sure as shit could put my best wiener forward multiple times a day. And I doubt many hookers work themselves to a heavy breathing sweat anyway. And good sex isn't exactly a skill that only a hooker would have. I bet Tiger Woods fuks like a chimney but he still plays a mean round of golf.

You're overplaying any possible sort of thing a hooker could do and making it seem like the rest of the population couldn't handle it.
Good sex
Having lots of sex
Dealing with the stress of stranger sex
Assfukked

I wish I only had to deal with these sort of issues (except the assfukking). It's a real woe is me problem. Many normal people deal with this on a day to day basis in smaller quantities. They do what most people dream of doing 25 hours a day for a living. It's like Miss Double Dees complaining about how heavy her boobs are to Little Miss As, except that's an actual issue. It'd be like Mandingo talking about how hard it is to fit into underwear to a guy with a four inch cock.
Normal people want to do these sorts of things IN ADDITION to having an actual job. If you ever go to a man group on Facebook, these guys are fukking animals who only want to fuk everything. If normal people could **** multiple times a day, they would. I had a serious think about slipping it in that goliath I mentioned earlier for instance. Very glad I did not... yet (?).

These whores are used to it. They can handle it. They don't exhaust themselves during, and so on and so forth. They do it because it's easy. They do it because they're lazy whores.

Some are outliers sure. But prostitutes can break into prostitution easier than Pam could into acting.

But it takes away from the stress when they're used to it. Sure if you throw an Amish girl into a hooker schedule she's going to break. But a hooker doesn't feel the same stress because she's dead inside. If a hooker wasn't comfortable getting plowed by a stranger, she would never do it in the first place. It alleviates the burden of the act when they're already comfortable with it.

Take my job for instance. People quit all the time because they realize maybe they actually are scared of heights. They feel the intense stress of looking at the ground. I do not, because I am used to it. I feel zero stress over the heights now. The hooker doesn't feel the same stress that a normal person would because she's a filthy hooker. The stress is greatly lessened. It's just "Yeah whatever throw that dick in my face, oh you're so big daddy!"

Anyone else in danger of flipping their computer desk over with their erections from reading Bran's posts?

Sweat is an indication of physical exertion, physical exertion is something lazy people avoid if they can. And the level of exertion isn't something that just everyone can get used to, otherwise older people would never get tired from sex.

Exactly, you voluntarily work out so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but not everyone works out like you do. And you apparently work out to the point that the energy you expend during sex seems to pale in comparison, so it doesn't seem like all that much. And just as there are plenty of people who aren't hookers who are good at sex, there are plenty of non pro golfers who are good at golf who do it just for fun. Doesn't change the fact that golfing is a skill.

If everyone could be easily be good at sex, then everyone WOULD be good at sex. By the same token, if everyone COULD be attractive and keep up their appearance then everyone WOULD. Lots of people lack the mental discipline and drive to get good at sex and maintain their appearance. It's more than just spending a couple of hours at the gym for some people, it's the gym, dieting, a strict makeup routine, and developing a desirable demeanor. You act as though modeling is a more difficult job but the only thing they really do that hookers don't is travel on planes. Everything else is just standing around/walking, and hookers on the street stand and walk more than models do every single night. And unlike models, hookers don't have other people in charge of making sure they look pretty, it's a job they're responsible for themselves. And then on top of that, the task of having sex requires more physical exertion than having one's picture taken.

EVERYONE wishes that all they had to deal with was the issues they perceive someone else has. You offer the average hooker a job as a model or actress and they'll freaking jump at it. So will the chick who works the register at Wal-Mart or the hostess at Chilis. Far fewer of them would be willing to work as a hooker though, otherwise they would because as you yourself say, there aren't many job requirements and it pays more. They're not avoiding working two jobs to pay the rent because they're against being lazy, they're avoiding it because they see it as a job they can't really handle.

What's more, you seem to be implying that a person's job is THE determining factor as to whether or not a person is lazy. But if that were the case all stay at home moms would automatically be lazy people by your definition.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
They threw themselves in there though 90 percent of the time.

Regardless, it's irrelevant whether or not you consider it an occupation for lazy **** ups. Making money doing something "lazy" is allowed. Just seems like you wanted to shit on prostitutes.

I mean, that's your right of course.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I disagree with you that it shouldn't be morally disapproved of.

I'm a Christian, so I'm obviously a bit biased in this regard, but I think Jesus demonstrates the attitude towards this that I would approve of in society. He made it clear that he morally disapproves of prostitution and adultery, but despite expressing that stance he still treated them with warmth and basic human decency.

In the same way I think it should be stigmatized in the way that society morally disapproves of it but I still think sex workers should be treated with basic human decency despite that.

I'm not a particular fan of either the moral libertine approach where we promote the idea that doing whatever you want within the confines of not violating people's rights is equally as valid as any other decision, or the attitude of "Oh look at how pure I am and look at how impure everyone else is, they're filth they should be treated as pariahs."

/shrug

Oh, and the moral libertine thing. I don't know if you necessarily need to invoke that. You could easily argue that giving agency to a disenfranchised class, raising them out of economic uncertainty, and protecting them from a fairly dangerous underworld is morally worthwhile. There's room for us all here in society, and we'd likely benefit from their economic participation to boot.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
[B]I disagree with you that it shouldn't be morally disapproved of.

Get off your high horse.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sweat is an indication of physical exertion, physical exertion is something lazy people avoid if they can. And the level of exertion isn't something that just everyone can get used to, otherwise older people would never get tired from sex.

Exactly, you voluntarily work out so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but not everyone works out like you do. And you apparently work out to the point that the energy you expend during sex seems to pale in comparison, so it doesn't seem like all that much. And just as there are plenty of people who aren't hookers who are good at sex, there are plenty of non pro golfers who are good at golf who do it just for fun. Doesn't change the fact that golfing is a skill.

If everyone could be easily be good at sex, then everyone WOULD be good at sex. By the same token, if everyone COULD be attractive and keep up their appearance then everyone WOULD. Lots of people lack the mental discipline and drive to get good at sex and maintain their appearance. It's more than just spending a couple of hours at the gym for some people, it's the gym, dieting, a strict makeup routine, and developing a desirable demeanor. You act as though modeling is a more difficult job but the only thing they really do that hookers don't is travel on planes. Everything else is just standing around/walking, and hookers on the street stand and walk more than models do every single night. And unlike models, hookers don't have other people in charge of making sure they look pretty, it's a job they're responsible for themselves. And then on top of that, the task of having sex requires more physical exertion than having one's picture taken.

EVERYONE wishes that all they had to deal with was the issues they perceive someone else has. You offer the average hooker a job as a model or actress and they'll freaking jump at it. So will the chick who works the register at Wal-Mart or the hostess at Chilis. Far fewer of them would be willing to work as a hooker though, otherwise they would because as you yourself say, there aren't many job requirements and it pays more. They're not avoiding working two jobs to pay the rent because they're against being lazy, they're avoiding it because they see it as a job they can't really handle.

What's more, you seem to be implying that a person's job is THE determining factor as to whether or not a person is lazy. But if that were the case all stay at home moms would automatically be lazy people by your definition.

Sure the streetwalkers might put in more work in an average day than a model, maybe. But at the end of the day they're not exactly doing much, either.

I mean look at them STANDING here? Woah, tough racket.
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Or all these in shape hookers who have to walk around a truck stop
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Models have to look pretty for the cameras where a lot of the times it's unrealistic. Hookers have to doll themselves up like any other girl who leaves the house. They need these people for fashion shows as well for the quick change. The modern whore doesn't even need to leave the house though she probably should.

Again, woe is the hooker. You could throw every issue they have out there and at the end of the day they're still having sex for lots of money. Of course the hooker would take a chance to be famous and make more money though. It doesn't mean she thought it through, or had to go through the ringer that the average person had to go through to get there. No hooker is going to become the next Daniel Day Lewis though. Hooker Day Lewis would sound ridiculous.

Choosing to be a whore is pretty lazy though. It's not simply the job, it's just what you chose to be in life instead. If a stay at home mom was a welfare bum who didn't do a bang up job, she'd be lazy too. A stay at home mom who actually looks after their kid and the house the entire time the kid is there is a different story.
You think any of these whores are going home and doing a reno? That they go home and make a huge thanksgiving meal for their families? That they come home with a jizz stained dress and take their kids to karate practice?
No, it's meth and drugs after work. Maybe some heavy drinking.

Maybe it's my job, maybe it's the hookers I've seen on the streets or talked to, but it just seems like the laziest choice in life. Some of these little shit towns you can't park for a couple minutes without seeing fat native whores coming up to the vehicle. And those are the hard working ones who walk around apparently.

But I digress. Agree to disagree on lazy whores.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Again, there are tons of factors at play here. And most of the problems you're referencing are tied to the fact that it's still, largely, an underground activity. It's legitimately one of the more dangerous jobs around. Murder, rape, having your ass kicked, etc are all part of the package currently....and police typically won't/can't help because of who you are. Pretending like it's some walk in the park because "it's just sex" is horribly disingenuous.

Regardless, it's irrelevant whether or not you consider it an occupation for lazy **** ups. Making money doing something "lazy" is allowed. Just seems like you wanted to shit on prostitutes.

I mean, that's your right of course.

That being said I still think streetwalkers are also a lazy choice, just not as lazy. But I would never say streetwalking isn't dangerous or a walk in the park (modern whores don't even need to walk in the park). Some of the greatest killers of all time slaughtered hookers en masse. My mom also thinks my dad was murdering hookers when he went away for work and hookers were disappearing in the area (the guy he was with said he was gone all the time). I am well aware of the dangers of streetwalking and lot lizards. I was only speaking about how little the actual "job" entails and the mental stress of the modern whore. These whores built a super lazy empire off the backs of murdered street hookers.

It's pretty relevant to what I'm saying though. I consider them lazy is all. It's my biggest issue with the occupation that I never see brought up.
Of course I want to shit on hookers though. For too long have they been held to a hard working standard. If I can change one person's mind on them actually being lazy whores then I've done my job.

sounds like a lot of people here have had a bad time with a prostitute and have become jaded. sad.

On the other hand, I imagine being abused by your employers, your clients etc. or being the victim of human trafficking could make your job quite stressful. Weirdly enough, there might even been a link between this and drug abuse 🙁

There are strong connections between prositution and mental health issues, substance abuse, physical abuse, child abuse, and exploitation, which makes me hesitant to support its legalisation, and I don't think it should be encouraged. Better to decriminalise it for the women involved and put money into schemes helping women to get more rewarding and less harmful jobs.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
sounds like a lot of people here have had a bad time with a prostitute and have become jaded. sad.

On the other hand, I imagine being abused by your employers, your clients etc. or being the victim of human trafficking could make your job quite stressful. Weirdly enough, there might even been a link between this and drug abuse 🙁

There are strong connections between prositution and mental health issues, substance abuse, physical abuse, child abuse, and exploitation, which makes me hesitant to support its legalisation, and I don't think it should be encouraged. Better to decriminalise it for the women involved and put money into schemes helping women to get more rewarding and less harmful jobs.

🙂

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Seems pretty obvious I wasn't speaking of nightwalkers. I think my second post said they didn't even have to walk anymore. I'm talking about the modern whore who can use a phone.

That being said I still think streetwalkers are also a lazy choice, just not as lazy. But I would never say streetwalking isn't dangerous or a walk in the park (modern whores don't even need to walk in the park). Some of the greatest killers of all time slaughtered hookers en masse. My mom also thinks my dad was murdering hookers when he went away for work and hookers were disappearing in the area (the guy he was with said he was gone all the time). I am well aware of the dangers of streetwalking and lot lizards. I was only speaking about how little the actual "job" entails and the mental stress of the modern whore. These whores built a super lazy empire off the backs of murdered street hookers.

It's pretty relevant to what I'm saying though. I consider them lazy is all. It's my biggest issue with the occupation that I never see brought up.
Of course I want to shit on hookers though. For too long have they been held to a hard working standard. If I can change one person's mind on them actually being lazy whores then I've done my job.

I know, neither here nor there as far as you're concerned. Your point is that they are lazy. I don't agree as a blanket statement, but you're entitled to your view. We're basically going down unrelated paths at this point, so I'll leave this alone.

I love prostitutes. They're my favorite victims.

Originally posted by BackFire
I love prostitutes. They're my favorite victims.

Probably depends on what part of the industry.

I get the impression Russian/Ukraine/European sex workers aren't treated well at all. Your common US "Sugar daddy", otoh, usually treats their workers better then a husband.

I like pimps, they're good people. 🙂

Originally posted by cdtm

I like pimps, they're good people. 🙂

Why is 'pimp slap' a thing then?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Is a prostitute hurting someone else?
No?
Then it's not immoral.

That being said by that same token, is me having a moral opinion you disagree with hurting anyone? An opinion that has no bearing on the laws I would or wouldn't support in my capacity as a voter or someone who partakes in political dialogue, and an opinion that has no bearing on whether or not I would treat a person with basic human dignity? Who am I hurting?

It's very strange to me that people often think nobody is entitled to have an opinion on sexual behavior (an action) because "it's none of your business" and "who is it hurting?" but those same people are willing to get outrage and act like I've committed some transgression for holding an opinion (a thought) that doesn't effect the way I vote or the dignity with which I treat another person.

As another example, I'm a stoner. If somebody thinks smoking weed is immoral (as some of my friends do), but they aren't going to treat me with any less dignity for it and from a liberty loving principle would still support weed legalization, then I couldn't give a shit about their opinion. Maybe I'd try and change it in a discussion, but I'm not going to get upset about it or think they're a pompous *******. Because I'm entitled to not have the government infringe upon my rights, and I think it's reasonable to ask that I be treated with dignity, but I don't remotely think I'm entitled to someone else's moral approval for my actions, or that I'm entitled to them self-censoring their moral belief. If they aren't acting to restrict my rights, if they are treating me with dignity, and if they are speaking honestly and openly about their moral views even if they're moral views I disagree with, then they are behaving exactly how I'd want them to behave.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Get off your high horse.

Expressing a moral opinion doesn't automatically mean someone is putting themselves on a high horse if they aren't pretending to be a superior being. I certainly don't think I'm an avatar of moral purity, and there are undoubtedly prostitutes out there of both greater and lesser moral character than myself. I could give less of a shit about dickmeasuring my own moral character next to other people's, what I care about is pursuing the standards that will make me a better person in relation to who I am now, and speaking honestly about my moral convictions.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Get off your high horse.

I'd like to point out that this is definitely a double entendre considering the thread topic. 👆

There's such a broad aspect of prostitution and the levels of danger and stress it can bring. The high-end call girl who is having a few dates a month because her executive clients pay her $5,000.00 a night to have dinner and then f--k in a 5-star hotel isn't comparable to the sex-worker who is blowing guys in their cars for $20.00 a pop and is far more at risk from STDs and a nutjob looking to hurt a woman.

Prostitution should be legal though and it should be regulated. I personally like the idea of the sex houses like the Bunny Ranch in Nevada. The women are tested regularly, they're required to use condoms, they're in a safe environment, they have list of what they will and won't do so there's no confusion from the client's expectation, the clients are known (show ID) so they're far less likely to attack or act a fool etc.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Why is 'pimp slap' a thing then?

Misinterpretation. It's usually the pimp getting slapped by a belligerent hoe. 😉