Originally posted by Robtard
Remember, Pbot1, not-murder and murder, there's virtually no difference when you're painting with deflection paint and using a flat equalization brush.
Would that woman have died if Antifa peeps hadn't organized a counter-protest, encouraged people to bring implements of violence, and antagonized - multiple times and with violence - the original Alt-Righter protestors?
As I've stated before, the antifa people who called for counter-protests and to take up arms should be charged with incitement to violence. Don't take my word for it, there is already legal precedence for this: Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Antifa does NOT pass the Brandenburg test for the Charlotsville, and multiple other counter protests, because of the organization to violence on social media. And before some antifa apologists try to whitewash what antifa did, they were calling people to arms before the events happened. Multiple days, not just one or two. The excuse, "oh, the alt-righter racists brought weapons so antifa brought weapons" is a lie. The Antifa peeps were calling for violence long before the protests and counter-protests began.
This is not apples to oranges. This is apples to apples: violence to violence. One of the alt-right people took it much too far beyond the too far it already was and killed someone.
Putinbot amd Robtard, steer clear of the misplaced and obviously dishonest self-righteous "apples to oranges" violence comparison. That's not a narrative that is factually supportable. If you wish to hold people accountable, hold the moron who murderd accountable and hold the antifa counter protesters accountable for criminal incitement to violence. Just because they were not correctly charged and prosecuted does not mean they did not break the law. There is plenty of evidence to charge several antifa organizers and commentors. Screenshots were taken and it got plenty of news coverage. It's a political issue which is why they haven't been charged.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Bit of a strawman DDDM people should be allowed to counter-demonstrate without fear of having cars driven into them. Violence is violence and murder is murder. One is an Apple the other isn't.
I don't believe DDM is arguing that all counter protesting should not be allowed wholesale, merely that calls to violence masquerading as a peaceful protest, which is what he's saying Antifa did here, should be prosecuted.
Originally posted by BackFireDemonstrations will always degenerate into violence where people hold strong beliefs, I don't think in recent US history you have had anything like the miner's strike of the 80's we had in the UK. That said people didn't kill each other, although the Police did use horseback charges. Apart from your usual white teenage lone shooters and your often black gangsta thugs you are quite a mild people. That's all going to change with Trump as groups become marginalised and bigotry becomes ever more acceptable and people will confront this. They will rarely murder, the bigots of the Alt-right just follow in the footsteps of their many predecessors like the KKK. I'm not saying violence is right or there shouldn't be consequences but when you have a system that is corrupt and a murderous enemy. It is understandable.
I don't believe DDM is arguing that all counter protesting should not be allowed wholesale, merely that calls to violence masquerading as a peaceful protest, which is what he's saying Antifa did here, should be prosecuted.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Would that woman have died if Antifa peeps hadn't organized a counter-protest, encouraged people to bring implements of violence, and antagonized - multiple times and with violence - the original Alt-Righter protestors?As I've stated before, the antifa people who called for counter-protests and to take up arms should be charged with incitement to violence. Don't take my word for it, there is already legal precedence for this: Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Antifa does NOT pass the Brandenburg test for the Charlotsville, and multiple other counter protests, because of the organization to violence on social media. And before some antifa apologists try to whitewash what antifa did, they were calling people to arms before the events happened. Multiple days, not just one or two. The excuse, "oh, the alt-righter racists brought weapons so antifa brought weapons" is a lie. The Antifa peeps were calling for violence long before the protests and counter-protests began.
This is not apples to oranges. This is apples to apples: violence to violence. One of the alt-right people took it much too far beyond the too far it already was and killed someone.
Putinbot amd Robtard, steer clear of the misplaced and obviously dishonest self-righteous "apples to oranges" violence comparison. That's not a narrative that is factually supportable. If you wish to hold people accountable, hold the moron who murderd accountable and hold the antifa counter protesters accountable for criminal incitement to violence. Just because they were not correctly charged and prosecuted does not mean they did not break the law. There is plenty of evidence to charge several antifa organizers and commentors. Screenshots were taken and it got plenty of news coverage. It's a political issue which is why they haven't been charged.
F*cking bingo, f*cking ownage, and I can't wait to see how they spin this shit.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Demonstrations will always degenerate into violence where people hold strong beliefs, I don't think in recent US history you have had anything like the miner's strike of the 80's we had in the UK. That said people didn't kill each other, although the Police did use horseback charges. Apart from your usual white teenage lone shooters and your often black gangsta thugs you are quite a mild people. That's all going to change with Trump as groups become marginalised and bigotry becomes ever more acceptable and people will confront this. They will rarely murder, the bigots of the Alt-right just follow in the footsteps of their many predecessors like the KKK. I'm not saying violence is right or there shouldn't be consequences but when you have a system that is corrupt and a murderous enemy. It is understandable.
Antifa, still aren't killers much as some people would like to pretend they are, violence is violence and murder is murder, apples and oranges.