Originally posted by SurturIn your mind and probably your little pals, in anybody else, not so much. But keep hanging on to DDDM's tails he's a bright guy who you clearly look up to. Surt belongs on the cuuuck bus.
Yeah you got owned something fierce and you won't be able to salvage it so I wouldn't even bother trying.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
In your mind and probably your little pals, in anybody else, not so much. But keep hanging on to DDDM's tails he's a bright guy who you clearly look up to. Surt belongs on the cuuuck bus.
The cuck bus!
LOL! You're so triggered over DDM slapping you down. All you can do is spit out the same shit you always spew. It's hilarious.
And bro: anyone who is intelligent and not a bias piece of shit knows you got owned. That is the best part 🙂
Originally posted by SurturSurt the monkey in his Bigot tree grasping at any branch to save his fall. funny stuff!
LOL! You're so triggered over DDM slapping you down. All you can do is spit out the same shit you always spew. It's hilarious.And bro: anyone who is intelligent and not a bias piece of shit knows you got owned. That is the best part 🙂
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Ummm, loving how you are trying to build a difference in opinion into something else. Grasping for branches in the bigot tree, Surt lunges for a branch, falls and gets hit by the cuck bus.
Loving your coping. Keep it up, I'm sure one of your pals will throw you a bone sooner or later 👆
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Bit of a strawman DDDM
Are you saying the point you make next is a strawman?
Originally posted by Putinbot1
...people should be allowed to counter-demonstrate without fear of having cars driven into them.
I guess so. This would be a strawman of my point. Criminal incitement to violence is not "counter-protesting." Which was the point I was making.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Violence is violence and murder is murder. One is an Apple the other isn't.
Since the DoJ and the FBI include them both under "violence", you're word game is noted but rejected.
Originally posted by BackFire
I don't believe DDM is arguing that all counter protesting should not be allowed wholesale, merely that calls to violence masquerading as a peaceful protest, which is what he's saying Antifa did here, should be prosecuted.
Correct. 👆
And the police are at least partially culpable for not getting ahead of the activities in Charlottesville that lead to escalating violence. There was enough evidence for many days before events happened that they could have separated out the protesters, much like local law enforcement does with Westboro Baptist church people, to prevent escalating violence.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, I see that my words turned into an argument between Whirly and Surtur for one-up games and I did not intend for that to happen. I did not intend to one-up anyone. I just wanted to draw attention to the idea that it is not as simple as "one side murdered and the other did not."
Which was basically my point as well, that you shouldn't have to wait until a group murder's someone before calling out their violence, I was then accused of defending the alt-right.
Seems like if you don't agree with certain people, you're either a Nazi or someone that defends them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Would that woman have died if Antifa peeps hadn't organized a counter-protest, encouraged people to bring implements of violence, and antagonized - multiple times and with violence - the original Alt-Righter protestors?As I've stated before, the antifa people who called for counter-protests and to take up arms should be charged with incitement to violence. Don't take my word for it, there is already legal precedence for this: Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Antifa does NOT pass the Brandenburg test for the Charlotsville, and multiple other counter protests, because of the organization to violence on social media. And before some antifa apologists try to whitewash what antifa did, they were calling people to arms before the events happened. Multiple days, not just one or two. The excuse, "oh, the alt-righter racists brought weapons so antifa brought weapons" is a lie. The Antifa peeps were calling for violence long before the protests and counter-protests began.
This is not apples to oranges. This is apples to apples: violence to violence. One of the alt-right people took it much too far beyond the too far it already was and killed someone.
Putinbot amd Robtard, steer clear of the misplaced and obviously dishonest self-righteous "apples to oranges" violence comparison. That's not a narrative that is factually supportable. If you wish to hold people accountable, hold the moron who murderd accountable and hold the antifa counter protesters accountable for criminal incitement to violence. Just because they were not correctly charged and prosecuted does not mean they did not break the law. There is plenty of evidence to charge several antifa organizers and commentors. Screenshots were taken and it got plenty of news coverage. It's a political issue which is why they haven't been charged.
Possibly not, possibly yes. Unless we have the Time stone where we can see alternate realities, who ultimately knows. I'll touch on this below.
I agree with much of all you say, but (and correct me if I read you wrong here) you seem to be phrasing it like it was a peaceful rally until the people opposing the Alt-Right/Nazis/Supremacist showed up and started shit, when we have video proof of some of the Alt-Right/Nazis/Supremacist attending this rally specifically to cause violence. eg Chris Cantwell, the total bad-ass Nazi who later cried about going to jail was outright claiming that he works out and trains in order to better cause violence and he was ready to both kill and in need die for his cause. That doesn't necessarily tell me that their intentions were peaceful until Antifa or whoever started it. So if we're mass blanketing people for the Heather Heyer attack, then it's more than just the driver of the car and Antifa. It's the masses of Alt-Right too.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, I see that my words turned into an argument between Whirly and Surtur for one-up games and I did not intend for that to happen. I did not intend to one-up anyone. I just wanted to draw attention to the idea that it is not as simple as "one side murdered and the other did not."
I don't think you intended to own him. It was just a hilarious side effect.
And yes it's not as simple. Antifa has no murders to their name due to luck, not due to them being not very violent.
The other difference is the leniency they are given by the left versus how lenient the right is with people like Richard Spencer.
Originally posted by dadudemonit is as simple as violence begets violence. When you have the rhetoric of bigotry and Nazi ideology is endorsed on high, bigots become empowered they feel unchallenged and drive cars into people. The group who feels marginalised will respond with rhetoric and violence of their own. It is likely though as they come from a stronger moral base their members will commit less truly heinous acts.
Well, I see that my words turned into an argument between Whirly and Surtur for one-up games and I did not intend for that to happen. I did not intend to one-up anyone. I just wanted to draw attention to the idea that it is not as simple as "one side murdered and the other did not."
People who haven't seen this will never understand. I saw it in Northern Ireland first hand. Violence begets violence and Trump in empowering bigots has done just this.
As for Surt he'll latch on to anything he thinks that supports his world view. Right Good, left bad. White good other races bad. Which I know was not your point.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
it is as simple as violence begets violence. When you have the rhetoric of bigotry and Nazi ideology is endorsed on high, bigots become empowered they feel unchallenged and drive cars into people. The group who feels marginalised will respond with rhetoric and violence of their own. It is likely though as they come from a stronger moral base their members will commit less truly heinous acts.People who haven't seen this will never understand. I saw it in Northern Ireland first hand. Violence begets violence and trump in empowering bigots.
I cannot disagree with anything in this post and I think you're right on every point. 👆
Originally posted by Putinbot1
it is as simple as violence begets violence. When you have the rhetoric of bigotry and Nazi ideology is endorsed on high, bigots become empowered they feel unchallenged and drive cars into people. The group who feels marginalised will respond with rhetoric and violence of their own. It is likely though as they come from a stronger moral base their members will commit less truly heinous acts.People who haven't seen this will never understand. I saw it in Northern Ireland first hand. Violence begets violence and trump in empowering bigots.