Originally posted by Robtard
Possibly not, possibly yes. Unless we have the Time stone where we can see alternate realities, who ultimately knows. I'll touch on this below.I agree with much of all you say, but (and correct me if I read you wrong here) you seem to be phrasing it like it was a peaceful rally until the people opposing the Alt-Right/Nazis/Supremacist showed up and started shit, when we have video proof of some of the Alt-Right/Nazis/Supremacist attending this rally specifically to cause violence. eg Chris Cantwell, the total bad-ass Nazi who later cried about going to jail was outright claiming that he works out and trains in order to better cause violence and he was ready to both kill and in need die for his cause. That doesn't necessarily tell me that their intentions were peaceful until Antifa or whoever started it. So if we're mass blanketing people for the Heather Heyer attack, then it's more than just the driver of the car and Antifa. It's the masses of Alt-Right too.
You're right about the timeline. We need a crystal ball to see who started this violence participation thing. Who was the first to declare, publicly, that they were going to knock heads at the protests? My money would be on the antifa peeps turning this into a direct violence thing. But, as Whirly pointed out, the Neo-Nazi's are, at their core, espousing violent ideas. However, alt-righters and Neo-Nazis organizing protests does not mean they were ever going to be violent.
I don't know who started the violence calls in the social media rallying.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're right about the timeline. We need a crystal ball to see who started this violence participation thing. Who was the first to declare, publicly, that they were going to knock heads at the protests? My money would be on the antifa peeps turning this into a direct violence thing. But, as Whirly pointed out, the Neo-Nazi's are, at their core, espousing violent ideas. However, alt-righters and Neo-Nazis organizing protests does not mean they were ever going to be violent.I don't know who started the violence calls in the social media rallying.
I ultimately don't know. But you march around Seig Heiling, yelling incendiary and violent rhetoric, doesn't really tell me you're there to peacefully rally.
Originally posted by Robtard
I ultimately don't know. But you march around Seig Heiling, yelling incendiary and violent rhetoric, doesn't really tell me you're there to peacefully rally.
They could have screamed your mom is a pig a doesn't matter, one thing that has been shown consistently since that bs right wing rally is the left WANTS to use violence.
Don't be intellectually dishonest in discussions involving violence and pretend one side is the victim.
I'm not saying violence is right or there shouldn't be consequences but when you have a system that is corrupt and a murderous enemy. It is understandable.
Woops to late, it seems as though you do believe there should be violence.
Originally posted by snowdragon
They could have screamed your mom is a pig a doesn't matter, one thing that has been shown consistently since that bs right wing rally is the left WANTS to use violence.Don't be intellectually dishonest in discussions involving violence and pretend one side is the victim.
Woops to late, it seems as though you do believe there should be violence.
Also I want to point out people who are truly alt right are happy whenever the left gets violent. They WANT them to resort to violence, but the other side is too dumb to realize this.
Originally posted by snowdragon
They could have screamed your mom is a pig a doesn't matter, one thing that has been shown consistently since that bs right wing rally is the left WANTS to use violence.Don't be intellectually dishonest in discussions involving violence and pretend one side is the victim.
As does the "Right"... have you been following along or did you just jump in blind?
Originally posted by Surtur
The other huge problem is one side claims the enemy is "nazis" while at the same time they have stretched the definition of what a "nazi" is to encompass basically just anyone they dislike.To these people black Proud Boys are nazis or KKK members. Candace Owens is a white supremacist, somehow.
While that happens here and there, that's mostly something you people made up to then cry victim, actually.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also I want to point out people who are truly alt right are happy whenever the left gets violent. They WANT them to resort to violence, but the other side is too dumb to realize this.
So we're back to the Nazis are peaceful, it's "der Left!" that causes the violence. *sigh*
Originally posted by Robtard
As does the "Right"... have you been following along or did you just jump in blind?
There is a big difference in my posting and yours. I don't assign violence to one side, I acknowledge both are culpable. The difference is that you and putin and play the left right narrative and look to one up while being soft on the side you generally favor.
Originally posted by snowdragon
There is a big difference in my posting and yours. I don't assign violence to one side, I acknowledge both are culpable. The difference is that you and putin and play the left right narrative and look to one up while being soft on the side you generally favor.
Except that didn't happen. Both Robtard and Pbot have acknowledged the violence of both sides. How does it feel up there, on your high-horse though?
Originally posted by Robtard
Except that didn't happen. Both Robtard and Pbot have acknowledged the violence of both sides. How does it feel up there, on your high-horse though?
Not at all, I am just acknowledging how your posts direct narrative and focusing on the side you oppose.
I'm not saying violence is right or there shouldn't be consequences but when you have a system that is corrupt and a murderous enemy. It is understandable.
Are you reading the same posts I am, yeah totally against violence but yeah know those guys deserve it so yeah........
Originally posted by snowdragonSeems you're unable to understand what he's saying. He's saying violence isn't right(that right there destroys your narrative alone), but he understands why people would fight against Nazis. He more fully verbalized this with the 'violence begets violence' post.
Not at all, I am just acknowledging how your posts direct narrative and focusing on the side you oppose.Are you reading the same posts I am, yeah totally against violence but yeah know those guys deserve it so yeah........
Do you really not understand why some people would fight against a historically violent and incendiary group like the Nazis?