Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yeah but in theory being in pz gives everyone the same even playing field as they would have in the regular physical universe no? Theoretically speaking... It would still count in some way no?
In some way, yes it will count but it wouldnt be anything close as impressive if everyone was fully powered. I brought the phantom weakening people a while back and it was brushed off. I can understand if it was a one time thing but this has been consistently bashed across our skulls.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol.Are those developmental delays getting in the way of your ability to comprehend a sentence again? Legitimately curious, because that isn't what I was saying. At all.
Again, the PZ-neutering thing could still very well be in effect here. Just saying that as of now, Bendis hasn't mentioned it(to the contrary, both Superman and Rogol currently 'feel great' inside the PZ)... And because we're talking about Bendis here, it wouldn't surprise me if he says "f*ck canon", like he's done SO many times in the past, and ignores the PZ's pre-established rules/facts for the sole purpose of wanking his new pet character. I certainly hope he doesn't, but I won't be shocked if he does.
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Superman specifically stated that there is no sun there so he will slowly start to lose his powers and currently in the PZ he seems to have retained his ppeers.
There have been so many inconsistencies for example how did superboy prime break free if he had no powers there?
I don’t think being in the PZ longer removes powers according to this story either because The Nuclear Man has been in the PZ for ages so he should have broken his hand punching Rogol.
As you said earlier All this points to Bendis not giving a shit about history and just telling his story.
Originally posted by Stoic
The point being is that Carver did not ever have a point because both characters were or are on equal footing. If the PZ weakens you and you fight another character in the PZ and manage to crush their skulls with one punch, the very same thing would happen outside of the PZ.
A weakened Superman beat a weakened Superboy Prime so I guess this mean if both fought at full power, Superman would beat him (sigh, just freaking sigh).
Originally posted by carver9A powerless Superman (which is to say, a 6'3" 240 adult man with fighting experience against people around his level) beat a powerless Superboy Prime (which is to say, a 5'11" 170 pound teenager who has largely only fistfought people he is orders of magnitude stronger than).
A weakened Superman beat a weakened Superboy Prime so I guess this mean if both fought at full power, Superman would beat him (sigh, just freaking sigh).
It is a false equivalence carvy. I don't even really think your point is necessarily wrong, but you just chose an awful way to argue it.
It would be better to question how the weakening of the PZ occurs. Is it linear, like everyone gets 100 Hercs taken off of their power level? Is it fractional, everyone gets brought down proportionately? Or does everyone's power get multiplied by zero?
Originally posted by NemeBro
A powerless Superman (which is to say, a 6'3" 240 adult man with fighting experience against people around his level) beat a powerless Superboy Prime (which is to say, a 5'11" 170 pound teenager who has largely only fistfought people he is orders of magnitude stronger than).It is a false equivalence carvy. I don't even really think your point is necessarily wrong, but you just chose an awful way to argue it.
It would be better to question how the weakening of the PZ occurs. Is it linear, like everyone gets 100 Hercs taken off of their power level? Is it fractional, everyone gets brought down proportionately? Or does everyone's power get multiplied by zero?
Nuclear Man was far from powerless though.
Originally posted by carver9
A weakened Superman beat a weakened Superboy Prime so I guess this mean if both fought at full power, Superman would beat him (sigh, just freaking sigh).
Relevance to this topic?
Originally posted by meep-meep
That's so misleading.
Noticed that too huh. An entire Tamaranian army had to retreat when they saw Rogol. This is an army of Starfire level characters. And again, if they are all less powerful in the PZ, it would also include Rogol who is also in the PZ. This means that they are all being scaled down proportionately, which also means that if they weren't in the PZ, he would have still had the exact effect on the Tamaranians. He would also still be able to one shot crush the Nuclear Man's skull like a grape.
When did Rulk ever do anything like that? The only reason that Rulk was even able to touch Uatu was because of his cosmic powers. Some of those feats were later explained in detail once Rulk had stopped actively using his powers to borrow power from his opponents, and this was due to his fear of not being able to turn back into a human due to him using that power.
Originally posted by Stoic
Nuclear Man was far from powerless though.Relevance to this topic?
Noticed that too huh. An entire Tamaranian army had to retreat when they saw Rogol. This is an army of Starfire level characters. And again, if they are all less powerful in the PZ, it would also include Rogol who is also in the PZ. This means that they are all being scaled down proportionately, which also means that if they weren't in the PZ, he would have still had the exact effect on the Tamaranians. He would also still be able to one shot crush the Nuclear Man's skull like a grape.
When did Rulk ever do anything like that? The only reason that Rulk was even able to touch Uatu was because of his cosmic powers. Some of those feats were later explained in detail once Rulk had stopped actively using his powers to borrow power from his opponents, and this was due to his fear of not being able to turn back into a human due to him using that power.
Fighting a gang of powerless beings isn't an impressive ft. No matter how you put it. Lol... what cosmic powers did he have when he fought Uatu? He killed Grandmaster AND he did this...
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And did this to Odin Force Thor...
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And withstood an attack from a pissed galactus that sent him hurtling through the Galaxy crash landing into a planet. Wasnt koed and got up right after...
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Did you read anything with the character in it?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
A weakened Galactus casually draining an amped Rulk and causing decent damage to him isn't exactly an indication of him taking the full brunt of a Galactus attack.He was also recalled back to his timeline, not sent through a galaxy.
Looks like a mixture to me. A blast combined with absorption. He wouldn't have shot off like that if it was just simple absorption.
Originally posted by carver9
You're arguing that this guy can beat Red Hulk based off of a book that havent even happened yet. You should just stop.
Rogol took on Superman, and Supergirl and was winning up until they sent him to the PZ. Rulk overheated and lost to Thor and the Hulk.. He then lost to the Hulk after being thunder clapped.
