Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
So Thor grabbing the rope with both arms and Hulk using one arm while his other arm was mid air means that Hulk used the same muscles as Thor!?[B] Fact: you don't know what you are talking about.
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What I actually said: "Fact: Hulk used the vast majority of his muscles when punching the Leviathan as Thor used in the Forge/ring feat"
Fact: Your silly strawman has been countered
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Originally posted by Robtard
Josh clearly does not understand how strength works. Jeez. Anyhow.
Originally posted by Robtard
What I actually said: "Fact: Hulk used the vast majority of his muscles when punching the Leviathan as Thor used in the Forge/ring feat"
definition of 'as':
used to indicate by comparison the way that something happens or is done.
Basically you are saying that Hulk stopping the Leviathan with one hand is comparable to Thor grabbing the rope with both hands. In order for such a comparison to be made, you would be implying that the same amount of muscles were involved.
Oh and I never said that you stated that Thor and Hulk were using the same muscles.
Fact: You don't know what you are talking about again
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Nowhere in those quotes am I arguing Hulk's punching strength. And I further explained myself to H1 which quoted the same thing you did.
Then why even bother mentioning Thor using his leg, back and chest muscles for his feat if it's clear that Hulk used the same muscles for his?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Perhaps I used the wrong term. What I meant to say is that Hulk stopped the Leviathan with one arm not one punch.
Still not quite correct, as his whole body was straining in that stiff-arm. If you mean however that he didn't use both arms then yeah, that one's at least true.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Still not quite correct, as his whole body was straining in that stiff-arm. If you mean however that he didn't use both arms then yeah, that one's at least true.
Should that arm not be strong enough to counter the Leviathan's inertia it would have bent and wouldn't have been able to stop the Leviathan. And for the record, am not saying his legs, back, chest etc. don't play a part.
And yes, that's what i meant.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Should that arm not be strong enough to counter the Leviathan's inertia it would have bent and wouldn't have been able to stop the Leviathan. And for the record, am not saying his legs, back, chest etc. don't play a part.And yes, that's what i meant.
Yes, that's true. That arm would need to be strong enough to withstand the force being applied to it. But then that would also be the case for Thor.
Now Thor would have the advantage of 2 arms but then he's pulling instead of pushing which means he doesn't have the option of simply locking his arms in place and allowing his skeletal structure to take most of the weight, unlike Hulk.
In any case, they still use pretty much the same muscle groups for the most part, just use them in different ways.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, that's true. That arm would need to be strong enough to withstand the force being applied to it. But then that would also be the case for Thor.Now Thor would have the advantage of 2 arms but then he's pulling instead of pushing which means he doesn't have the option of simply locking his arms in place and allowing his skeletal structure to take most of the weight, unlike Hulk.
In any case, they still use pretty much the same muscle groups for the most part, just use them in different ways.
Agree!
Well I agree on Thor's feat being the top one here ATM.
But we haven't seen Hulk's limit yet, so I have hopes for Av.4.
Originally posted by h1a8
Mass of Leviathan = 300-500tons
Speed of Leviathan =15-30m/s
Stopping time= Time to reach speed from 0 = 4 secondsAverage Force needed to stop
= 2 x mass x average acceleration
= 2 x mass x change in velocity /time
= 2 x 500tons x (30m/s) /4s
= 764 tons of force.Since Hulk didn't completely stop the Leviathan in 4 seconds (would have taken longer if it didn't rotate) then he supplied less than 764 tons of force.
With Thor's feat we have a lot of unknowns. We don't what composition the ice is made of to determine hardness. We don't Know if Thor and Rocket even moved the rings or just yanked them loose from the ice (as Rocket stated).
The part that was covered with ice was a lot smaller than the rings. Once the ice broke, the rings were free to move on their own. Did they? We are not sure.
This particular Thor feat is better than Hulk's Leviathan punch.
Hulk's Surtur punch should be better than both, pretty much any reasonable estimate would put Surtur's weight in the millions of tons.
You can even try calculating it yourself.
Surtur is stated and shown to be made of magma, of which the least dense type has a density of 2180–2250 kg/m³ and a stated height of 800+ meters and was shown dwarfing the Asgard palace.
Even if you use the density of a person/water it would still come out in the millions of tons.
Originally posted by Nevan
This particular Thor feat is better than Hulk's Leviathan punch.Hulk's Surtur punch should be better than both, pretty much any reasonable estimate would put Surtur's weight in the millions of tons.
You can even try calculating it yourself.
Surtur is stated and shown to be made of magma, of which the least dense type has a density of 2180–2250 kg/m³ and a stated height of 800+ meters and was shown dwarfing the Asgard palace.
Even if you use the density of a person/water it would still come out in the millions of tons.
There is also considering the fact that Hulk never showed signs of struggle or discomfort while performing these feats.
In other words, Hulk's upper limit remains unknown.
Again. The Thor feat isn’t a good strength feat at all. All Thor did was brace against the force that broke the ice (making the rings get stuck).
The ice wasn’t very large. At best Thor braced the force of shattering a steel covering.
Hulk’s feat might be somewhat better but even that feat isn’t all that considering it was a bracing feat.