Originally posted by Silent Master
Superman also dodged or blocked multiple attacks during the last few movies, do you think h1 will apply his standard to those examples?
He will say - oh but we have already seen Superman get hit by an aircraft bullet so we know he can take it, and blah blah trolling.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus(This sequence is a LOT of fun. I really enjoyed Ragnarok.)
Yeah its a very rewatchable movie.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat's correct. But I think Silent was referring to Superhuman dodging/blocking attacks from WW, Steppenwolf, etc.
He will say - oh but we have already seen Superman get hit by an aircraft bullet so we know he can take it, and blah blah trolling.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think warrior Asgardian's are ridiculous strong and tough, and definitely bullet-proof at this point. Look at Valkyrie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbzq4UsM2cg(This sequence is a LOT of fun. I really enjoyed Ragnarok.)
She easily survives her ship's destruction unharmed. Thor is way beyond a regular Asgardian at this point.
She was already free from the ship when it exploded. And that isn't a good feat. Really?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
There's entire competitions about bending and breaking shit. Videos of Dennis bending/snapping every wrench he can, etc.
There's literal judges that you need to be certified to bend a red and gold nail:
http://www.ironmind.com/certification/red-nail-gold-nail-/rules-for-bending-certification/
http://www.ironmind.com/certification/red-nail-gold-nail-/red-nail-roster/Many of these guys go and fold up hammers, frying pans, card rips and what have you. People breaking jack link #6 chains and the like.
Look at this old nazi doing it for example:
YouTube videoThese guys are legitimately strong, and they hate people doing fake shit. And none of these guys are any more bulletproof than anyone else.
You're not even using an argument though. Thor isn't bulletproof because Jessica Jones isn't but Jessica Jones should be? What kind of shit is that?
Jessica Jones isn't bulletproof because she isn't. That's pretty common sense. Thor however wasn't shown to not be bulletproof. In fact, you're arguing he should be anyway.
Your argument is completely dependant on a non sequitur, while you admit he should be able to do it because he's close to Hulk in strength/durability. Take away Jessica Jones and what do you actually have as an argument?
The bottomline is humans can bend metal by creating enough leverage. But don’t be fooled, the pressure on any one part of their body is terribly less than 1 ton per square inch.
Jessica Jones didn't use ANY leverage tricks. She just crumbled the steel padlocks quick and easy as it was a fortune cookie.
My argument is that she should be bulletproof, the same way you guys are arguing why Thor should be. I posted a scene proving that it's writer's intentions that Thor isn't aircraft bulletproof.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Except Thor was still relatively new to Earth so had no idea how powerful Earth bullets were. Perhaps Asgard bullets can hurt him.The sensible choice was to avoid them.
Now you tell me what writers intentions are about Thors durability compared to Hulk when Thor and Hulk trade blows pretty equally:
Except this movie isn't real life and Thor doesn't exist. Therefore the actor wasn't thinking of what you are suggesting. Neither was the writer.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Where was Loki scarred? The inititial lightning bolt in Sokovia straight up atomized multiple city blocks long before the entire mass exploded. You straight up lie. You don't slightly bend the truth, you either have not seen any of these movies or completely lie. And you do it in any thread that has Thor in it.
In the avengers movie, after they opened fire on him
Atomized? Do you even know what that means? Dumbest thing I heard someone say.
What movie did you watch?
Everything broke apart. If the ground becomes unstable then buildings crumble under their own weight.
And what does that have to do with Thor's durability if we don't know where he was when the explosion happened?
Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, give feats that Thor can resist pressures of at least 2900 tons per square inch on his body. Because otherwise, he is not aircraft bulletproof (by writer's intentions) and due to lack of a feat supporting it.Therefore, Thor goes down fast against the REAL military forces.
Given that your last number was 313 million, nobody trusts your new number. show us a credible source that corroborates the number or it'll be ignored. like all your other unsupported claims.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's correct. But I think Silent was referring to Superhuman dodging/blocking attacks from WW, Steppenwolf, etc.She was already free from the ship when it exploded. And that isn't a good feat. Really?
It's called cheating by creating more leverage. The longer the distance is the force is applied then the smaller the force needs to be to do work. In your last video, at the end, the guy reveals how he cheated in bending those objects.
The bottomline is humans can bend metal by creating enough leverage. But don’t be fooled, the pressure on any one part of their body is terribly less than 1 ton per square inch.
Jessica Jones didn't use ANY leverage tricks. She just crumbled the steel padlocks quick and easy as it was a fortune cookie.
My argument is that she should be bulletproof, the same way you guys are arguing why Thor should be. I posted a scene proving that it's writer's intentions that Thor isn't aircraft bulletproof.
Except this movie isn't real life and Thor doesn't exist. Therefore the actor wasn't thinking of what you are suggesting. Neither was the writer.
In the avengers movie, after they opened fire on him
Atomized? Do you even know what that means? Dumbest thing I heard someone say.What movie did you watch?
Everything broke apart. If the ground becomes unstable then buildings crumble under their own weight.And what does that have to do with Thor's durability if we don't know where he was when the explosion happened?
What the hell?
The writers intention isnt what I think because its not real life?
I assume the writers, producers and directors still operate on common sense though right?
You HAVE to be purposely Trolling at this point. And you clearly have no real rebuttal to the proof I posted that Thor is just as durable as Hulk, ergo just as bullet proof, and just as resistant to Earth military weapons.
Now please take your defeat like a man and stop the Trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, give feats that Thor can resist pressures of at least 2900 tons per square inch on his body. Because otherwise, he is not aircraft bulletproof (by writer's intentions) and due to lack of a feat supporting it.Therefore, Thor goes down fast against the REAL military forces.
Look H1, we all know that you make-up these numbers. Nobody, not even you, believe in the numbers you come up with. And no person with an inch of common sense would try to come up with proof to match your imaginary numbers.
Anyway, let's use actual facts here. I'm not too keen on calculations so I won't even attempt it, but neither is h1. Here is a plate that has a maximum of 855 (and 862 but didn't do it) megapascals. What that translates into, is 124007 pounds per square inch. Which is 62 us tons psi.
They are using 30mm and 20mm. Also notice the Brinell hardness of 286. I will get to that in a bit.
Anyway, here is the test, yes some went through, but it actually stopped a couple 30mm and 20mm. Considering the steel is rated at a crazy degree less than 2000 yons of psi...
Now let's look at that Brinell rating again. I was close.
They make plates in 640. Let's look how much a plate at even 601 is rated at
Which means only 62 tons psi is needed to almost be 20mm proof and in some cases are. 130 tons psi is completely bulletproof to 30mm and there are tests to prove it, but I figured this would be funner to show.
H1 thinks a ****ing 20mm packs 2900 tons of psi. How could this possibly be correct?
"It's called cheating by creating more leverage. The longer the distance is the force is applied then the smaller the force needs to be to do work. In your last video, at the end, the guy reveals how he cheated in bending those objects.
The bottomline is humans can bend metal by creating enough leverage. But don’t be fooled, the pressure on any one part of their body is terribly less than 1 ton per square inch.
Jessica Jones didn't use ANY leverage tricks. She just crumbled the steel padlocks quick and easy as it was a fortune cookie.
My argument is that she should be bulletproof, the same way you guys are arguing why Thor should be. I posted a scene proving that it's writer's intentions that Thor isn't aircraft bulletproof."
I understand what they're doing, learn how to read. I'm saying they are doing things hundreds of times above a lot of humans and still aren't any more bullet proof. You however called them bs like it was all fake. Now it's all leverage... interesting.
Jessica Jones gets hurt by random thugs. Her merely crushing steel isn't an indication of being bulletproof... as she isn't. The guy who is barely bulletproof is far above her in durability as indicated by how much better he did both hurting and taking an amped (in comparison) Luke Cage.
You keep focusing on Jessica Jones breaking chains while ignoring everything else. One, Jessica Jones isn't as durable or as strong as anyone who has taken bullets in MCU. Two, she can't take bullets, while Thor hasn't been shown unable too... ie, the comparisons end there.
And 3, Thor is at least as durable as Hulk after his upgrades and 25mm bullets bounce off Hulk's skin. Downgrade it to 20mm and you still have Thor getting shredded... why? There is no possible explanation for Thor being that much lower than Hulk.
There is zero correlation with what you're saying. You literally answered me saying that "if you took JJ out of the post you'd have nothing" with whining about JJ. She has nothing in common with Thor. Your argument is a huge non sequitor and you have nothing.
Also lol at you using "writer's intention" as a defense considering all you do is ignore it. That was the first time Thor encountered bullets like that. Obviously he's playing it safe.
It's also writer's intention he got hit by Ultron and took the full force of the sun as well.
And I don't think it possible for him to be in the direct path of the sun being hit by a ray of energy without feeling pressure on that note. You don't even need writer intention. The sun was literally firing a beam of energy. 😂
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
We know exactly where he was when the explosion happened. And I am talking about the initial lightning bolt that came down. Fine, I will change the word from atomized to vaporized to completely FUBARed. Whatever makes you happy
Why are you trolling? Everything broke apart. Thor didn't get hit with the Mjolnir or the lightning. So why Sokovia being destroyed is a durability feat for him? The moment the ground ceast to be, Thor is airborne.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
What the hell?The writers intention isnt what I think because its not real life?
I assume the writers, producers and directors still operate on common sense though right?
You HAVE to be purposely Trolling at this point. And you clearly have no real rebuttal to the proof I posted that Thor is just as durable as Hulk, ergo just as bullet proof, and just as resistant to Earth military weapons.
Now please take your defeat like a man and stop the Trolling.
You making up what Thor was thinking is called making shit up. Thor doesn't exist. The character is only thinking what the writer wants us to know what he's thinking. Anything else is simply making stuff up. It's stupid for the writer to write a bulletproof character actively avoiding bullets out of fear of his life.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
"It's called cheating by creating more leverage. The longer the distance is the force is applied then the smaller the force needs to be to do work. In your last video, at the end, the guy reveals how he cheated in bending those objects.The bottomline is humans can bend metal by creating enough leverage. But don’t be fooled, the pressure on any one part of their body is terribly less than 1 ton per square inch.
Jessica Jones didn't use ANY leverage tricks. She just crumbled the steel padlocks quick and easy as it was a fortune cookie.
My argument is that she should be bulletproof, the same way you guys are arguing why Thor should be. I posted a scene proving that it's writer's intentions that Thor isn't aircraft bulletproof."
I understand what they're doing, learn how to read. I'm saying they are doing things hundreds of times above a lot of humans and still aren't any more bullet proof. You however called them bs like it was all fake. Now it's all leverage... interesting.
Jessica Jones gets hurt by random thugs. Her merely crushing steel isn't an indication of being bulletproof... as she isn't. The guy who is barely bulletproof is far above her in durability as indicated by how much better he did both hurting and taking an amped (in comparison) Luke Cage.
You keep focusing on Jessica Jones breaking chains while ignoring everything else. One, Jessica Jones isn't as durable or as strong as anyone who has taken bullets in MCU. Two, she can't take bullets, while Thor hasn't been shown unable too... ie, the comparisons end there.
And 3, Thor is at least as durable as Hulk after his upgrades and 25mm bullets bounce off Hulk's skin. Downgrade it to 20mm and you still have Thor getting shredded... why? There is no possible explanation for Thor being that much lower than Hulk.There is zero correlation with what you're saying. You literally answered me saying that "if you took JJ out of the post you'd have nothing" with whining about JJ. She has nothing in common with Thor. Your argument is a huge non sequitor and you have nothing.
Also lol at you using "writer's intention" as a defense considering all you do is ignore it. That was the first time Thor encountered bullets like that. Obviously he's playing it safe.
It's also writer's intention he got hit by Ultron and took the full force of the sun as well.And I don't think it possible for him to be in the direct path of the sun being hit by a ray of energy without feeling pressure on that note. You don't even need writer intention. The sun was literally firing a beam of energy. 😂
You can cry fiction inconsistency but the fact remains that using your logic for Thor, Jessica Jones should be at least low level bullet proof since her flesh can withstand tens of tons per square inch of pressures and forces.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Anyway, let's use actual facts here. I'm not too keen on calculations so I won't even attempt it, but neither is h1. Here is a plate that has a maximum of 855 (and 862 but didn't do it) megapascals. What that translates into, is 124007 pounds per square inch. Which is 62 us tons psi.They are using 30mm and 20mm. Also notice the Brinell hardness of 286. I will get to that in a bit.
Anyway, here is the test, yes some went through, but it actually stopped a couple 30mm and 20mm. Considering the steel is rated at a crazy degree less than 2000 yons of psi...
Now let's look at that Brinell rating again. I was close.
They make plates in 640. Let's look how much a plate at even 601 is rated at
Which means only 62 tons psi is needed to almost be 20mm proof and in some cases are. 130 tons psi is completely bulletproof to 30mm and there are tests to prove it, but I figured this would be funner to show.
H1 thinks a ****ing 20mm packs 2900 tons of psi. How could this possibly be correct?
1. Post the source links.
2. 2900 was the initial pressure at the tip. As the bullet deforms, the tip gets wider and the velocity gets smaller and therefore decreasing the pressure. The pressure decreases to less than 20 tons per square when the tip deforms to the caliber diameter. This happens very quickly.
3. Ultimate tensile strength is more about resisting elongation. Tests are done pulling metal apart. The force is recorded the moment the metal starts to elongate. As the metal gets thinner from being pulled, the force needed to pull it apart more becomes less. A bullet compresses metal. When metal compresses, it's able to withstand more pressure.
Look at this clip starting at 3:50
A 100 ton hydraulic press fails to compress the metal ball at a particular distance.
YouTube video
4. Those plates where 3 inches thick. Remember that the force to stop the bullet at 3 inches of distance is between 50-100 tons. But again, as the metal compresses, its ability to withstand compression increases. Initial Pressure calculated wasn't about stopping the bullet, it was to prove that Thor will get at least penetrated somewhat.
For the sake of argument. What feats does Thor have to say that his body can withstand a 100 ton weight resting on him that has the base area of 1 square inch?
Why would my source links matter when you completely ignore them in the same post? You ignored all concept actually. You ignored the entire way bullets/bulletproof armor are actually measured. All the relevant information is there, even them changing speeds to compensate. And the speeds are shown.
But of course, read on and ignore it:
http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2018/ARL-TN-0872.pdf
I already included it, but yes they lowered the speeds, but it was also a weaker piece of metal.
The pressure at the tip doesn't matter. If something with the initial psi strikes something rated 40 times lower, it's going to blow right through it. You're making shit up. The plates are only designed to handle so much pressure for a split second. If they could handle 2900 tons, that would maybe be stated somewhere. The makers know how long a bullet lasts, they'd factor that in more than likely when they make the ****ing plates.
The plates are designed to handle that total. Anything more will blow through them. That's why they have a high and low of the plates.
And if the bullet actually packs 2900 tons of psi, then it really doesn't matter when we can see that impact being completely stopped by steel rated for 130 tons.
Which means even more than ever, do your numbers mean **** all. Man up.
Also when armor makers and people testing armor mention tensile strength as a factor against bullets, you think they're just joshing you? In any case, we have the BNH value. Both things lead us to numbers 40 times lower than yours. From actual people who study this metal, and know the science of it.
However, why would we ever leave anything there? Here is a 20mm tungsten round going through 6 1/4 steel plates (spread out)
YouTube video
Here is about 7500 pieces of paper stopping a tungsten armor piercing round.
YouTube video
Here is about 1.5 inches of titanium stopping an armor piercing 20mm round
YouTube video
I already showed the titanium plate stopping a superior tungsten round as well.
The hardest Titanium has a minimum bnh of 334, which is a far cry from a bnh of 600, which is 132 tons psi.
https://alcobrametals.com/guides/titanium
And here's a study where a bunch of plates stopped 20mm and 1/2 scale 30mm bullets as long as they were heated and reformed, as opposed to rolled at 1.1 inches.
The hardness of these steel plates at 1.1 inches ranged from 48 to 53 on the RHC scale. Which is about 460-534 in BNH if I'm doing that right. 48.5 is 101 tons psi.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a284904.pdf
But here's the real kicker. The 30mm GUA-8 could only achieve:
"Later there were experiments conducted in order to increase penetration with ammunition
30 mm PGU-14/B API (fig. 3), with aircraft velocity of 128,61 m/s (250 Knot) and with attack
angle of 30 on armour plate with hardness BHN 300. Achieved penetrations were 55 mm on
distance from target of 1.220 m, to 76 mm on distance from target of 300 m."
That means with a rating of about 66 tons psi, that a far superior gun could only penetrate 3 inches while they specifically tried to penetrate as far as they could. Almost 3000 tons of psi would blow right through that, and if not, then your numbers mean absolutely nothing at all.
So even ignoring the actual numbers, how does it make sense to you that thin (in comparison) metals can stop 30mm rounds, yet you still seem to think your made up numbers are impressive? Do you think Thor less durable than a tank or something? Where does your logic even come from?
And how does it make sense to you that all these different studies never come near the measurement of 2900 tons psi, yet they seem to all hover around each other? Why do none of these tests and studies seem to come close to what you're saying? How do you rationalize that?
Keep in mind you're arguing with the actual ballistics and tests of actual bullets being fired at things. The only proof you have is the size of the bullet, your made up numbers, and a 100 ton press pushing a ball. I mean, you can clearly see the bullets being stopped by not too crazy of things, why doesn't this clue in for you? Bullets don't just travel through anything.
THREE HUNDRED AND 13 MILLION TONS PER SQUARE INCH, and you're still arguing. Even your new number is a massive overstatement backed up by zero ballistic tests ever.
😂 at you using a ball in a talk of ballistics though. First off, that press isn't 100 tons psi. The ball wasn't concentrated into one location, and we don't even know what it was made of anyway. It was a fairly large ball, of course it's going to stop compressing against a 100 ton press at some point in time. You want to actually look at bullets and ballistics though instead of finding your information in hydraulic press channels though? 😂
Handling a sun blasting sun energy at him. Being as durable or moreso than Hulk and Iron Man is another.
And you keep bringing up Jessica Jones except the difference is that Thor was never shown to be penetrated by a bullet. What part of that don't you get?
As well as, you can't use writer intention that Thor wasn't bulletproof when writer intention is also that Thor was subject to a hailstorm of bullets.
One is easily explained to say he didn't know what to expect. One is explained that every round simply missed him even though we saw the impact off his foot. So... yeah.
But no that's fine, one upgrade ago Thor wasn't bulletproof. Now the writers intention is that he took the full force of a sun. Funny how that works out, no? Or does writers intention, common sense, and the giant beam of energy just not count in the sun one? Does the sun also not compare to 3000 tons psi or something?
I know this has nothing to do with this thread, but in Iraq a few times we were ordered to **** up railroad tracks for various reasons and we used a M2 .50 cal to **** up the tracks. It was hard to hit due to the angle of the gun mounted on the vehicle but those rounds will go through them. We did have to spend a lot of rounds to mangle it enough to not be serviceable though.
That being said, I have no idea what the tracks were made of, I'm assuming some kind of iron or steel.
They also don't tell us the psi and all that silly shit of the rounds, I just know nothing the Iraqis had can stop a .50 cal. But just to be cool I'm gonna say they probably hit with a few gazillion tons of force.
Also for One Big Mob, I sincerely doubt that your sources have any clue as to what the **** they're talking about. Just because they do it for a living doesent mean shit.
I'm a 2nd grade Guatemalan math teacher btw.
One more thing because it's really dumb.
But how do you rationalize that Thor took no pressure of the sun when he was blasted like a bullet away as soon as he let go? Even if you're under the assumption that the sun should have sucked him in, it was clearly depicted to exert pressure on him when it projected him. How was that just heat? Not only that but the beam of energy in the first place?
And there was no screen over the sun, he was directly exposed to it, as well as the energy escaping.
But what happens when an omnidirectional energy source is trapped within a barely bigger encasement where none of the energy can escape? And what happens when a tiny hole is opened to focus all of this energy of the sun? Is the sun going to suck everything in, or is the previously trapped energy of the entire sun going to find this hole and focus fire as much energy as it can outwards? You know, like a sun normally would? Solar energy does leave the sun afterall and we saw all the energy that tried to leave the sun like it normally would be focused through a tiny hole at once. It would be a lot like what was depicted no?
The energy was enough to overcome the sun's gravity and all that could be released through that hole was focus fired straight at Thor. The sun was basically pissing as hard as it could.
It was nowhere near just heat. That makes no sense
Originally posted by h1a8You making up what Thor was thinking is called making shit up. Thor doesn't exist. The character is only thinking what the writer wants us to know what he's thinking. Anything else is simply making stuff up. It's stupid for the writer to write a bulletproof character actively avoiding bullets out of fear of his life.
Fear of his Life? Lmao Whose making up what Thor was thinking now?
Stop with the TROLLING. You HAVE LOST.
I have given PROOF Thor is easily as durable as Hulk who is COMPLETELY Bullet proof.
I have SHOWN TO YOUR FACE Thor standing in the QuinJets Line of Fire, when every single other person in said line of fire was shot down.
The Writers of Infinity War have RUBBED IT IN YOYR FACE, that Thor took the FULL FORCE of a Star.
Whereas all you have is your own baseless speculation on why Thor moved out of the way once, when he was new to Earths weapons.
In short: You are a very sore loser, and possibly the biggest troll on this site.
h1 is a troll, he likes the attention.
S'why I don't even look at his equations anymore (hell, I barely speak to him directly as he is a waste of time). I know it's BS, everyone knows it's BS and he's not convincing anyone. He's just trolling cuz he is butthurt. I'll wait until he starts to convince someone (who I know isn't a sock) then correct that person directly (I sometimes post once in a while when I am really really bored, like right now).
Fortunately, it doesn't seem like anyone buys his BS so it looks like I'll just mostly lurk here.