Who would be a bigger threat: Thor vs. Superman

So we all now agree on the specs of the bullet.
mass = 0.1kg
velocity =1000m/s
diameter of tip = 3.9mm or 0.0039m
length of bullet = 4in or 0.1016m

Let's calculate the force that would be exerted on Thor's head if it were to stop the bullet in less than equal to the length of the bullet (the stopping distance). This distance is 0.1016m as shown above.

Average stopping Force = Change in Kinetic Energy / stopping distance
= 1/2 x mass x velocity^2 / stopping distance
= 1/2 x (0.1kg) x (1000m/s)^2 / 0.1016m
= 492126 Newtons
Now 1 Newton = 0.22480894387096 pounds of force
So 492126N = 492126N x (0.22480894387096lb/1N) = 110634 lbs of force
2000 lbs of force = 1 ton of force
So 110634lbs = 110634lb x (1 ton/2000 lbs) = 55.3 tons of force

But the PEAK of this average stopping Force (more than 55.3 tons of force) is initially applied at the tip of the bullet the moment the bullet starts to deform.
Peak Pressure = Peak Force /Area of tip
> 492126N/ (pi x r^2]
= 492126N/[pi x (0.0039/2 m)^2]
= 4.12 x 10^10 Pascals
Now 1 pound per square foot (psi)= 6894.7572932 Pascals
So 4.12 x10^10 Pascals = (4.12 x 10^10 Pascals) x (1psi / 6894.7572932 Pascals)
= 5975004 psi
= 2987.5 tons per square inch (dividing by 2000 again)

This is the initial pressure. The pressure will decrease as the bullet deforms more.

Note: I assumed the bullet explodes on Thor and therefore deforms it entire length (4 in). If it richochets or mushrooms a little then the force is larger.
Also the actual tip is smaller, I used an overestimate by measuring the diameter below the tip, where it is wider. You will be surprised that significantly decreasing the diameter of the tip increases the pressure by a large amount.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki is bulletproof. Sif also seemed bulletproof. So it follows that Thor is bullet proof. Especially when he is able to match Hulk who is also shown to be bullet proof.

None of the Amazons were showed to be bullet proof, so there's no reason to think Diana is bullet proof. Plus, we specifically see her get wounded while fighting WW1 soldiers.

JJ has no equivalent to base off from plus she's also been wounded before.

Thor is running from the bullets. If the writer wanted us to know that Thor is bulletproof then he wouldn't have wrote Thor to run from them. Intentions are clear.

Loki's face was scarred by a bullet but instantly healed (maybe the staff had something to do with it or he has a healing factor?)

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I am firmly aware.

The issue is, is that even in h1's own made up way to measure bullets, he is wrong. He will never admit he is ever wrong unless he can't replicate those same numbers. And I want to see every step of the way that he does it as well, so I can make him question everything.

Look at the progress being made so far. I know he will simply revert back to trolling, but look at it. He's tossed out all his numbers. He's given up on radius. He's admitted he's probably made a mistake somewhere. He's almost quadrupled a very important number. Etc. Would he have done any of this had you guys just kept (correctly) stating facts? There's something off in that headpiece of his and facts don't get to it unless you explain why it's right or wrong. At least from my experience.

I have hopefully another couple days to see where this heads, so we'll see. Keep throwing out the facts though, it's fun seeing how crazily inaccurate everything h1 is saying.

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That's all I want and need. Just show me where I'm wrong. I have admitted many times of being wrong (mostly on the comic vs forums). I'm not infallible and don't claim to be. I like to debate, but don't mind being wrong if someone clearly shows me. Darthgoober and Darksaint were just a couple of posters who clearly articulated why I was wrong (or why they are right). I accepted it.

Naija Boy convinced me of magnitude of the WBH feat. So I have championed WBH ever since (against anyone).

Originally posted by h1a8
Now you are completely ignoring my argument. Why should Jessica be bulletproof? The same reason Diana should be. They can exert tremendous pressures with their flesh without any damage. Isn't this the argument why Thor should be bulletproof? Because of his other feats right? You are creating a double standard.

Jessica can casually break steel locks and chains. Do you know the tensile strength of such? Those extreme tonnage of pressure on her yet bullets go through her as easily as humans?

WW is extremely relevant to the thread. Why? Because you used a particular rule as if it's always true. It isn't, as I gave a counter example.

Using counter examples for other characters is completely relevant.

Thor doesn't have vastly superior feats to tanking aircraft bullets, not even close.

WW isn't even from the same universe as Thor. And it makes no sense that she's not bulletproof. Luckily Marvel doesn't have people that durable getting hurt by bullets though. You're using universes with different rules under the guise that it doesn't make sense therefore it's relevant.

Normal human beings can break locks and chains and all sorts of stuff

YouTube video
YouTube video
YouTube video

I can't find the video of Adam T Glass effortlessly snapping chains that powerlifters couldn't budge.

Anyway, the point of this is that none of these guys are anymore bulletproof than a parapalegic, despite being thousands of times stronger. Bush is the minimum in Marvel to be bulletproof. Jessica Jones is not as durable, nor as strong.

That's you being biased though. Thor absolutely does. Jessica Jones doesn't. Jessica Jones is not as durable as people that effortlessly tank bullets, or in Thor's case, someone close in durability to someone who can tank aircraft bullets with zero damage.

Your argument is also basically saying that Thor should tank bullets, but because Jessica Jones/WW can't then Thor can't as well. You realize that right? Your only argument is Thor can't because other people should as well... not a lack on Thor's part, but a lack on others.
IE you're basically saying Thor should tank bullets but he can't because...

Originally posted by One Big Mob
WW isn't even from the same universe as Thor. And it makes no sense that she's not bulletproof. Luckily Marvel doesn't have people that durable getting hurt by bullets though. You're using universes with different rules under the guise that it doesn't make sense therefore it's relevant.

Normal human beings can break locks and chains and all sorts of stuff

YouTube video
YouTube video
YouTube video

I can't find the video of Adam T Glass effortlessly snapping chains that powerlifters couldn't budge.

Anyway, the point of this is that none of these guys are anymore bulletproof than a parapalegic, despite being thousands of times stronger. Bush is the minimum in Marvel to be bulletproof. Jessica Jones is not as durable, nor as strong.

That's you being biased though. Thor absolutely does. Jessica Jones doesn't. Jessica Jones is not as durable as people that effortlessly tank bullets, or in Thor's case, someone close in durability to someone who can tank aircraft bullets with zero damage.

Your argument is also basically saying that Thor should tank bullets, but because Jessica Jones/WW can't then Thor can't as well. You realize that right? Your only argument is Thor can't because other people should as well... not a lack on Thor's part, but a lack on others.
IE you're basically saying Thor should tank bullets but he can't because...

Those videos are BS and you know it. Human's bending and breaking metal by creating leverage to reduce the total force needed.

The tensile strength of steel is in the multi tons per square inch. No human can even withstand 1 ton per square in of pressure, not even close.

Jessica Jones CASUALLY crumbled solid steel as easy as we can a fortune cookie (no phucking leverage at all). She did it quick too. The amount of pressure to do such things that quickly is crazy. Think of a lot of tonnage there.

You are using a circular argument. Jessica Jones isn't as durable as others because she's not. According to her feats of strength, she should be at least low level bulletproof. There is no way in hell her flesh can withstand tons of force when breaking shit yet even isn't slightly bulletproof. That's BS and you know it.

And yes, Thor should be at least low level bulletproof.

Where was Loki scarred? The inititial lightning bolt in Sokovia straight up atomized multiple city blocks long before the entire mass exploded. You straight up lie. You don't slightly bend the truth, you either have not seen any of these movies or completely lie. And you do it in any thread that has Thor in it.

Where was Loki scarred? The inititial lightning bolt in Sokovia straight up atomized multiple city blocks long before the entire mass exploded. You straight up lie. You don't slightly bend the truth, you either have not seen any of these movies or completely lie. And you do it in any thread that has Thor in it.

Im surprised the parents of the children that you teach haven't attacked you.

Hell, I'm surprised the children themselves haven't attacked you.

Originally posted by h1a8
There are different levels of bulletproof.
The writer portrayed Sif to not be bulletproof, as he wrote her to block bullets with her armor. The writer portrayed Thor to not be aircraft bulletproof.
Look at this scene
from 3:25 to 3.28
YouTube video

Thor is running from the bullets. If the writer wanted us to know that Thor is bulletproof then he wouldn't have wrote Thor to run from them. Intentions are clear.

Loki's face was scarred by a bullet but instantly healed (maybe the staff had something to do with it or he has a healing factor?)

Except Thor was still relatively new to Earth so had no idea how powerful Earth bullets were. Perhaps Asgard bullets can hurt him.

The sensible choice was to avoid them.

Now you tell me what writers intentions are about Thors durability compared to Hulk when Thor and Hulk trade blows pretty equally:

https://youtu.be/NcLmyi46VYA

YouTube video

Originally posted by h1a8
Those videos are BS and you know it. Human's bending and breaking metal by creating leverage to reduce the total force needed.

The tensile strength of steel is in the multi tons per square inch. No human can even withstand 1 ton per square in of pressure, not even close.

Jessica Jones CASUALLY crumbled solid steel as easy as we can a fortune cookie (no phucking leverage at all). She did it quick too. The amount of pressure to do such things that quickly is crazy. Think of a lot of tonnage there.

You are using a circular argument. Jessica Jones isn't as durable as others because she's not. According to her feats of strength, she should be at least low level bulletproof. There is no way in hell her flesh can withstand tons of force when breaking shit yet even isn't slightly bulletproof. That's BS and you know it.

And yes, Thor should be at least low level bulletproof.

Many of these guys go and fold up hammers, frying pans, card rips and what have you. People breaking jack link #6 chains and the like.

Look at this old nazi doing it for example:
YouTube video

These guys are legitimately strong, and they hate people doing fake shit. And none of these guys are any more bulletproof than anyone else.

You're not even using an argument though. Thor isn't bulletproof because Jessica Jones isn't but Jessica Jones should be? What kind of shit is that?

Jessica Jones isn't bulletproof because she isn't. That's pretty common sense. Thor however wasn't shown to not be bulletproof. In fact, you're arguing he should be anyway.

Your argument is completely dependant on a non sequitur, while you admit he should be able to do it because he's close to Hulk in strength/durability. Take away Jessica Jones and what do you actually have as an argument?

h1's original number 313 million tons, h1's new number 2987.5 tons. that is a difference of 312,997,012.5 tons.

IOW, his first number was around 104,000 times larger than this new number. conclusion. h1 doesn't know what he's doing.

reading what h1 posted has made my day way better because i can laugh the whole rest of day/night

Originally posted by Silent Master
h1's original number 313 million tons, h1's new number 2987.5 tons. that is a difference of 312,997,012.5 tons.

IOW, his first number was around 104,000 times larger than this new number. conclusion. h1 doesn't know what he's doing.

It's a pretty big concession in its own right. He defended that original number too.

And that's assuming his new number is even correct too. Which seems like he added a zero somewhere at a quick glance. I saw the new number right away and laughed so I didn't look too hard

Originally posted by One Big Mob
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It's a pretty big concession in its own right. He defended that original number too.

And that's assuming his new number is even correct too. Which seems like he added a zero somewhere at a quick glance. I saw the new number right away and laughed so I didn't look too hard

I'm betting it's still wrong though.

Originally posted by h1a8
There are different levels of bulletproof.
The writer portrayed Sif to not be bulletproof, as he wrote her to block bullets with her armor. The writer portrayed Thor to not be aircraft bulletproof.
Look at this scene
from 3:25 to 3.28
YouTube video

Thor is running from the bullets. If the writer wanted us to know that Thor is bulletproof then he wouldn't have wrote Thor to run from them. Intentions are clear.

Loki's face was scarred by a bullet but instantly healed (maybe the staff had something to do with it or he has a healing factor?)

1. Humans are waterproof yet still run away from rain or try to protect themselves from rain. Trying to block bullets or avoid getting hit by them doesn't mean you're not bulletproof, especially when you already have feats of getting hit and not getting damaged.

2. Loki's face was never scarred.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Where was Loki scarred? The inititial lightning bolt in Sokovia straight up atomized multiple city blocks long before the entire mass exploded. You straight up lie. You don't slightly bend the truth, you either have not seen any of these movies or completely lie. And you do it in any thread that has Thor in it.

Im surprised the parents of the children that you teach haven't attacked you.

Hell, I'm surprised the children themselves haven't attacked you.

plot twist: H1 is actually one of those kids. He just fantasizes about being a physics instructor because his instructor keeps flunking him.

Originally posted by h1a8
There are different levels of bulletproof.
The writer portrayed Sif to not be bulletproof, as he wrote her to block bullets with her armor. The writer portrayed Thor to not be aircraft bulletproof.
Look at this scene
from 3:25 to 3.28
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Thor is running from the bullets. If the writer wanted us to know that Thor is bulletproof then he wouldn't have wrote Thor to run from them. Intentions are clear.

Loki's face was scarred by a bullet but instantly healed (maybe the staff had something to do with it or he has a healing factor?)

Just to be clear, according to you dodging/blocking attacks means that you can't take them, right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Humans are waterproof yet still run away from rain or try to protect themselves from rain. Trying to block bullets or avoid getting hit by them doesn't mean you're not bulletproof, especially when you already have feats of getting hit and not getting damaged.

I mean by his own logic hes conceded Wonder Woman can not take even ordinary bullets from the early 1900s.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean by his own logic hes conceded Wonder Woman can not take even ordinary bullets from the early 1900s.

Superman also dodged or blocked multiple attacks during the last few movies, do you think h1 will apply his standard to those examples?

I think warrior Asgardian's are ridiculous strong and tough, and definitely bullet-proof at this point. Look at Valkyrie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbzq4UsM2cg

(This sequence is a LOT of fun. I really enjoyed Ragnarok.)

She easily survives her ship's destruction unharmed. Thor is way beyond a regular Asgardian at this point.

Originally posted by FrothByte
plot twist: H1 is actually one of those kids. He just fantasizes about being a physics instructor because his instructor keeps flunking him.