Originally posted by One Big Mob
It's Kun's thread now. Gotta ride that Nadd train to "secretly" hype up Kun. The more you convince people that Nadd is the new fad, the easier it is to push Kun harder.Pretty damn sneaky. What does Nadd actually have to do with the thread though? Dunno, secret Kun wank
This is typically where all of AP's comments lead back to.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Hord is stated to be the greatest duelist of the VotDL Sith Lords,
Mm, no, he was said to be the best if his time. The VotDL is the resting place of Sith Lords across many eras.
he's stated to be the greatest Jedi killer prior to Nadd ,
Don't think so.
and he's got a depth of sorcery none of the others can compare to.
How do you figure?
Only Nadd, Ragnos, Kun and Tenebrae are his superiors.
>Only like, half of the big-name ancient Sith, 3/4ths of whom are only nebulously superior to the rest, are better than Tulak Hord
Wow~
Originally posted by AncientPowerNadd did have a mastery of Sith Magic, a little over Tulak.
Not it wasn't, the narrator is stating that he 'knows' he will. He knows a fact, is aware of it. It's not just opinion. Re-read the comics. Nadd having knowledge of all techniques presented in sourcebooks and of all knowledge hidden across the galaxy, puts him as easily the most learned Sith there is besides Tenebrae and Kun. In the entire Old Republic era.
Yet, that will not get him far when it comes down to dueling. We all know Tulak is capable of getting the win there.
I have a hard time believing that any lightsaber wielder in the entire SW mythos could be more talented in the blade than Hord is. I feel like even the likes of Sidious would have trouble penetrating Hord’s skills with the blade.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Not it wasn't, the narrator is stating that he 'knows' he will. He knows a fact, is aware of it. It's not just opinion. Re-read the comics. Nadd having knowledge of all techniques presented in sourcebooks and of all knowledge hidden across the galaxy, puts him as easily the most learned Sith there is besides Tenebrae and Kun. In the entire Old Republic era.
Admittedly I haven't read the TOTJ sourcebook in some time, but I recall the narrator describing Nadds thoughts which included that statement. How he felt anger and fear from.not becoming a Jedi Knight and so on. Then mentioning how since Nadd believes he can no longer be the greatest Jedi Knight he instead will be the greatest with sorceror again telling us what Nadd was thinking.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I see what's going on here.We assume Nadd was the best ever Sith but we can't say he's above Ragnos since he can't be... but he has to be above Hord here because he has to be... trust me. Nadd is just right there with Ragnos... probably... weaker Sith than Nadd are above Vader and Krayt. Nadd knows everything.
So we twist some quotes around and wind up with Hord being crazily above all Jedi Kreia could possibly know in dueling. Don't forget Nadd is above Hord. So now that we established Hord is above Revan by proxy (Nadd is super tough), we ask ourselves what Nadd has to do with this?
Let me take a shot in the dark with this and guess that Exar Kun one shotted Nadd like a pussy and people below Nadd are above all of Kun's opposition. That was massively pre prime Exar too. Because of the ease of that and how close Nadd was to Ragnos (trust me), Kun scales way up there. It's Kun's thread now. Gotta ride that Nadd train to "secretly" hype up Kun. The more you convince people that Nadd is the new fad, the easier it is to push Kun harder.
Pretty damn sneaky. What does Nadd actually have to do with the thread though? Dunno, secret Kun wank
Given Kun's accolades already place him above Nadd and Ragnos, where'd you get this seizure you call a conclusion from?
I'm merely using what evidence we'll probably ever have on the matter and coming to this ranking. Compare Hord with Nadd, and Nadd is just more impressive. Compare Hord with Pall and that's even clearer.
I started getting into this as a reply to Merchant and Vic's replies to me. So please, put the overly used fentanyl down and breathe. Come on, in and out.
Hord beats Darth Revan, he starts losing once it's the novel incarnation.
You're confirming everything I said while being annoyed that I said it. 😬
The issue isn't that Kun is merely above Nadd. The issue is that you want Nadd to be above everyone else by a sizable degree, so you can make the leap to people accepting Kun that much easier. Naturally you want everyone below Nadd to be above Revan so when it comes time for it, you can say Kun in a lower power level one shotted someone above people above Revan. Naturally you'll want to adjust that, while still assuming no matter how high Revan goes, he will still hover around Nadd level.
It's a pretty transparent fanboy tactic. You're practically foaming at the mouth here.
Also why are we under the assumption that Muur is stronger than Vader and Krayt on his own? He was using a body that was capable of fighting with both and it's not even clear if Muur amping Celeste was above either anyway since he never had an extended fight with both.
"My power is yours, your power is mine."
Do we just ignore the powerful body he used and pretend it still applies to other Sith Lords being above him? Any statements were only applicable to Muur when he was using his own body, not when he was using Celeste.
Not only that, but Krayt was near death at the time, and Vader was still very green in the suit, like 4-6 months after he got cut in half green iirc.
Muur was under the other Sith Lords on his own, not when he was in a body that was capable of fighting his influence for years and years. It's not even clear if he was below Ajunta by the time he died as well... "shadow hand", pretty sneaky again.
1.You're straight up wrong. SOR Revan and Exar Kun are rough equals from my POV. Darth Revan and SOR Revan are astronomically different, though.
2.Muur himself is stated to weild powers that outshone Krayt and Cade. He's further stated to need someone much more powerful than Morne to be capable of releasing himself from the talisman. We also know that he must maintain some degree of power by himself in the talisman because when Morne is losing her duel with Krayt, Muur takes over and starts beating him.
Originally posted by AncientPowerThat's quite the concession of only being equal to the most powerful Revan. Though it seems born of an inability to get one over on Ant as opposed to your own free thinking.
1.You're straight up wrong. SOR Revan and Exar Kun are rough equals from my POV. Darth Revan and SOR Revan are astronomically different, though.2.Muur himself is stated to weild powers that outshone Krayt and Cade. He's further stated to need someone much more powerful than Morne to be capable of releasing himself from the talisman. We also know that he must maintain some degree of power by himself in the talisman because when Morne is losing her duel with Krayt, Muur takes over and starts beating him.
According to that, Kun should probably beat the shit out of even RoTJ Palpatine at least?
And:
Kun >>>>> Freedon Nadd > Tulak Hord > KOTOR Revan
That seems like a real toughy for Revan to reach in your opinion. I know he got more powerful, but can you explain how you think Revan managed to equal Kun?
Only because he's using Morne's body in addition to his own powers. Morne on her own without Muur's full power could contend with noob Vader and dying Krayt. It stands to reason that Muur using all his power with Morne's body would be as or more powerful.
That doesn't mean Muur's original body or Muur's full spirit power is greater than Krayt. The quote only applies to what Muur was, which was him using Morne's powers in addition to his own.
Which means you can't take this and retroactively apply it to prior Sith Lords. And if it was his entire original power, then he's adding it to a very potent Jedi. It'd be like Tulak Hord taking over Ventress and then we pretend Ventress' body had nothing to do with it.
"No, this was all Tulak's own power, sure it was."
It is simply not possible that Morne's power simply went away because she wasn't in control at the time.
Tulak Hord is famous for his misleading skills. [6] Centuries later after a search from Surk, Kreia said Hord "was the greatest man named Sith Lords," claiming that his ability was considered "remarkable even in his own time, when many real-time owners had been living there." Kreia also revealed that if Surik was confronted with Sith Lord of the war in the war, he would learn that "we are children playing toys in comparison with the stability of ancient kings." Later, Kem Val revealed in North Nox that Hord had no execution of weapons made by the imperial Jedi Jedi at Yan and Chabosh. Over a thousand Jedians have died in these wars. [6]
Hord was a terrible manager on the black side. He was very familiar with telekinesis issues; when Dr Nox approached the ruins of Endar Spire, Khem Val explained that "The great Tulak Hord had released the huge ship from the sky." Hord was also the head of a witchcraft. [6]