Originally posted by victreebelvictrNo, the point is his precognition dud not see Windu disarming him or Vader slowly hoisting him up and throwing him to his death. Voldemort destroys him. Way too powerful with far too many options Sidious cannot contend with.
Sorry Murdoch, Quan doesn’t believe that Palp was playing with Mace.And honestly, Mace would kick the crap out of Voldemort as well.
I'm not saying that Voldemort doesn't have a myriad of options at his disposal due to spellcasting. He obviously has an arsenal at the flick of his wrist with his wand:
- Hax? Check.
- Teleportation? Check.
- High damage spread attack? Check.
- Insta-kill? Check.
Problems for Tom, however, are
- He has zero physical melee combat feats, whereas Palpatine is (arguably) the best lightsaber fighter in his universe.
- Tom needs his wand to spell cast, something of which Palpatine can disarm Tom with a gesture. Sheev needs no object to channel his force telekinesis through, and ultimately is all he needs to end this fight in moments.
- He doesn't have precognitive capabilities, whereas Sheev has the force's version of Spider-sense. Mace beating him just shows how good Mace is, and he would wreck Voldemort as well.
Personally, fights involving Harry Potter-verse characters are interesting but at the same time don't allow for much debate. It's always either first shot for the wizards and they win due to whatever abra kadabra hocus pocus spell gets thrown out, or the other contestant stomps because of fighting, power, strength, and/or size attributes that dwarf any Harry Potter character (for example, wasn't there an old Godzilla vs Voldemort thread or something like that? The arguments boiled down to "Godzilla gets avada kadavra'ed!" or "No, Godzilla stomps, literally, Voldemort."😉
Originally posted by John MurdochHe physically dominates Harry but wizards do not physically like to fight since they have magic. Why would you?
I'm not saying that Voldemort doesn't have a myriad of options at his disposal due to spellcasting. He obviously has an arsenal at the flick of his wrist with his wand:- Hax? Check.
- Teleportation? Check.
- High damage spread attack? Check.
- Insta-kill? Check.Problems for Tom, however, are
- He has zero physical melee combat feats, whereas Palpatine is (arguably) the best lightsaber fighter in his universe.
Sidious also is physically rather weak since we see a one handed Vader brutally hoist him up and hurl him to his death without anything he can do about it. Sidious was also disarmed by Windu and by yoda off screen so no why would anyone think that.
We know he can use magic as a youth prior to any training or a wand. Wizards all can use tk yet wenever see anyone disarm Voldemort we do see Sidious disarmed on screen. More evidence to assume Voldemort disarms Sidious with a gesture than the other way around since he does so to harry. Who does Sidious casually disarm with a gesture?
- Tom needs his wand to spell cast, something of which Palpatine can disarm Tom with a gesture. Sheev needs no object to channel his force telekinesis through, and ultimately is all he needs to end this fight in moments.
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Sheev needs to use the force to do so it is no different than Voldemort using magic. Both need to use their powers to do so. We can compare times if you would like.
No, it is an excuse. We see plenty of other guys catch them off guard so precog is not anything other than an exaggeration by fanboys. Sheev was not aware of Vaders intentions and was unable to even defend himself to stop his death. Sheev did not know Luke would reject his nonsense so once again it is nonsense. Sheev was not awRe of yodas assassination attempt either so the dude gets caught off guard multiple times and has to react in the moment to protect himself like anyone else.
- He doesn't have precognitive capabilities, whereas Sheev has the force's version of Spider-sense. Mace beating him just shows how good Mace is, and he would wreck Voldemort as well.[/B]
Nah, Voldemort would destroy Windu as well. Wizards have too many options especially the greatest to not destroy Windu.
So you find this to difficult to debate. See you around then.
Personally, fights involving Harry Potter-verse characters are interesting but at the same time don't allow for much debate. It's always either first shot for the wizards and they win due to whatever abra kadabra hocus pocus spell gets thrown out, or the other contestant stomps because of fighting, power, strength, and/or size attributes that dwarf any Harry Potter character (for example, wasn't there an old Godzilla vs Voldemort thread or something like that? The arguments boiled down to "Godzilla gets avada kadavra'ed!" or "No, Godzilla stomps, literally, Voldemort."😉 [/B]