Colossus vs Ares

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Zopzop, everyone of the old guard has read that comic. The context made it very clear that Samson wasn't even as strong as any of the four.

On the OTHER hand, a few issues earlier to that feat, Tony said he estimated it would take 5 of his toughest Avengers (Sentry, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel etc.) to take down Ares. 6 for safety.

Not comparable at all with the context given.

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Originally posted by zopzop
Do you not see Hercules punching him in the face, while Namor, IM and Wonderman attempt to restrain him?

no, actually, i don't. looks to me like he's just sort of charging into him, maybe getting ready to hit him or grab him with his left hand. and even if that WAS a punch it was the weakest punch herc has ever thrown and so clearly not indicative of them trying to beat the sh!t out of him. even if you're right its meaningless and only serves to prove my point. lol

this has gone well off the rails btw, and the topic is getting buried beneath strawmen--poorly crafted strawmen....

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was one of his greatest showings ever.

First he missed, then got one-shotted.

Somehow, Ares managed to do worse than when he first encountered the Hulk. Guess he was really focused, wonderful performance.

Colossus at least put of a fight and got some respect from Hulk.

All Ares got was an ass whooping.

Originally posted by leonidas
no, actually, i don't. looks to me like he's just sort of charging into him, maybe getting ready to hit him or grab him with his left hand. and even if that WAS a punch it was the weakest punch herc has ever thrown and so clearly not indicative of them trying to beat the sh!t out of him. even if you're right its meaningless and only serves to prove my point. lol

this has gone well off the rails btw, and the topic is getting buried beneath strawmen--poorly crafted strawmen....

What did you expect? It's a thread with one character written horribly when it comes to consistency, and a character that for some inexplicable reason people love to hate.

It was never going to be done well.

Originally posted by -Pr-
What did you expect? It's a thread with one character written horribly when it comes to consistency, and a character that for some inexplicable reason people love to hate.

It was never going to be done well.

Colossus isn't as inconsistent as Ares so he's the latter, which means Ares is the former.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Sounds bad@ss to me.

Colossus at least put of a fight and got some respect from Hulk.

All Ares got was an ass whooping.

Whooped and disarmed... twice.

First time, it was his own fault; the spear broke on the Hulk's hide.

During WWH, Ares' sword shattered when he got smashed.

Originally posted by leonidas
no, actually, i don't.

Really?

Colossus. Outside of few hax showings (X-man), Ares on average is depicted as a super strong brick. Same as Colossus. Except weaker.

I agree. Barring every showing in which he's absolutely superior to what Colossus has done in his full career he's not that impressively above Clossus.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Whooped and disarmed... twice.

First time, it was his own fault; the spear broke on the Hulk's hide.

During WWH, Ares' sword shattered when he got smashed.

Really?

i guess it's the complete lack of motion lines. i dunno. and the total lack of any effect. i mean his head is being held. like i said--if it was a punch, it was the worst punch of his career and if anything only supports the idea that they weren't actually trying to hurt samson. /shrug

It's so soft and undynamic looking that he literally may just be pushing his forearm into samson's face.

Lol at you lot.

Stop, you're making the Ares camp look bad. I'm reporting Leo.

You're all blind.

Hercules is clearly trying to grab Wonder Man's hand to take it off Samson, but trips and misses.

Herc is always a bro.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're all blind.

Hercules is clearly trying to grab Wonder Man's hand to take it off Samson, but trips and misses.

Herc is always a bro.

I really wanted to compare lifting (strength) and durability feats (since they are the easiest to gauge) between these two. Then we could move on from there.

In comics, characters are inconsistent.
Basically any character with superhuman strength can shrug off punches from another, but far stronger, character.

We got highs and lows. Showings can be twisted in two ways.
1) A lower character doing well against a stronger character could be that the stronger character is having a low showing while the lower character remains the same.
or
2)
the lower character having a high showing while the higher character stays the same.

But never a combination of the two.

That's why quantifiable feats are important (lifting, punching things at a distance, pulling, etc.

Thing has done well against beings who are many times stronger than him.
In reality, if someone is just 3 times more powerful than you then you would appear as a child to them. Thing is about 100 tons. He fights beings that has exerted more than 1000 tons and does well.

Finally, let's say 1 character is 100 tons and another is 105 tons. Not a big difference right? Fight should be nearly even if everything else is even?
Wrong! If the two pushed against each other then the stronger will win by 5 tons. That's enough to send the weaker back like a ping pong ball. And with 5 tons more force, you can manhandle anyone with extreme ease. Grab their wrists and have them to anything you want.

ABC logic is very faulty in comics.

Then what happens if you don't have lifting feats?