The thing that pisses me off about the modern Left is just how utterly bereft of reason they are.
The Left went from protecting the rights and interest of the Working Classes to wanting to destroy them.
They went from wanting *protectionism*, tariffs, taxes and quotas on imports in order to *protect* the national labour market and stop wages from falling/having to compete globally. To wanting to destroy the nation and embrace extreme globalism. Regulating the world, harmonising taxes and basically destroying the ability of a nation to plan its economy for the people in that nation.
Back in the late '90s we had Leftists supporting anti-globalisation, supporting Jose Bove as he campaigned (and caused property damage) against American corporate "food" in the form of McDonalds.
Now they are in lock-step with the corporations, they want to destroy borders and seek to import people so as to accelerate the process of globalisation.
They have no regard for the economic welfare of the ordinary working class and in fact play up bullshit "racism!" as a means of running a sort of low intensity war on them.
They declare that the native populations of Britain, Germany, etc. have no authentic culture. That European nations are "oppressors" and that they have no right to self-preservation.
And in doing so, they help promote the economic growth of large American globalist corporations. The very *enemy* of Europe 2 decades back.
It's no surprise that the largest corporations in the world today are, basically, brands. Substance free, abstract, "values" propositions. All about making their consumers *feel* good about themselves and their *status* relative to other people.
This is precisely the nature of Left wing "politics" today. It has no workable or even interesting "solutions" for the actually important business of governing a nation, but instead seeks to twiddle the nobs on various peripheral issues - race, immigration, demographic representation - and in the process brings them to such prominence in society, that they negatively impact upon the functioning of society.
Back in the '70s and '80s, the biggest corporations would have been Exxon and GM or other industrial corporations. Their products being necessary for the function of the economy, in providing energy and transportation, allowing people to work and innovate.
Now that economic phase is dead, people are basically producing nothing of any inherent value, instead they've abstracted out the very concept of value and decided to trade it directly.
You buy Starbucks coffee, you are engaging in socially significant action. You are sending a message.
You buy Apple products, again you are sending a message.
And of course, the entire reason for Social Media to exist is for vacuous people to sell themselves as brands (and now you have Youtube influencers basically proving just how successful this can be).
The message the corporate powers chose to sell? Well, it has to be acceptable to the broadest amount of people, it has to appeal to the youth and it has to be "edgy" (stand out).
Hence their use of "marginal" identities and their promotion of stupid shit. And this is also precisely the home ground of the modern Left. And so, they fit together very well, the vacuous corporate values peddlers and the vacuous self-indulgent consumer "political activist". The "activist" buys the corporation's bullshit and the corporation buys the "activists" raison d'etre.
Originally posted by janus77
The thing that pisses me off about the modern Left is just how utterly bereft of reason they are.The Left went from protecting the rights and interest of the Working Classes to wanting to destroy them.
They went from wanting *protectionism*, tariffs, taxes and quotas on imports in order to *protect* the national labour market and stop wages from falling/having to compete globally. To wanting to destroy the nation and embrace extreme globalism. Regulating the world, harmonising taxes and basically destroying the ability of a nation to plan its economy for the people in that nation.
Back in the late '90s we had Leftists supporting anti-globalisation, supporting Jose Bove as he campaigned (and caused property damage) against American corporate "food" in the form of McDonalds.
Now they are in lock-step with the corporations, they want to destroy borders and seek to import people so as to accelerate the process of globalisation.
They have no regard for the economic welfare of the ordinary working class and in fact play up bullshit "racism!" as a means of running a sort of low intensity war on them.
They declare that the native populations of Britain, Germany, etc. have no authentic culture. That European nations are "oppressors" and that they have no right to self-preservation.
And in doing so, they help promote the economic growth of large American globalist corporations. The very *enemy* of Europe 2 decades back.
It's no surprise that the largest corporations in the world today are, basically, brands. Substance free, abstract, "values" propositions. All about making their consumers *feel* good about themselves and their *status* relative to other people.
This is precisely the nature of Left wing "politics" today. It has no workable or even interesting "solutions" for the actually important business of governing a nation, but instead seeks to twiddle the nobs on various peripheral issues - race, immigration, demographic representation - and in the process brings them to such prominence in society, that they negatively impact upon the functioning of society.
Back in the '70s and '80s, the biggest corporations would have been Exxon and GM or other industrial corporations. Their products being necessary for the function of the economy, in providing energy and transportation, allowing people to work and innovate.
Now that economic phase is dead, people are basically producing nothing of any inherent value, instead they've abstracted out the very concept of value and decided to trade it directly.
You buy Starbucks coffee, you are engaging in socially significant action. You are sending a message.
You buy Apple products, again you are sending a message.
And of course, the entire reason for Social Media to exist is for vacuous people to sell themselves as brands (and now you have Youtube influencers basically proving just how successful this can be).
The message the corporate powers chose to sell? Well, it has to be acceptable to the broadest amount of people, it has to appeal to the youth and it has to be "edgy" (stand out).
Hence their use of "marginal" identities and their promotion of stupid shit. And this is also precisely the home ground of the modern Left. And so, they fit together very well, the vacuous corporate values peddlers and the vacuous self-indulgent consumer "political activist". The "activist" buys the corporation's bullshit and the corporation buys the "activists" raison d'etre.
This needs it's own thread, and to be pinned.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yeah, hundreds of Neo Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us," are a figment of imagination.**** you, trash.
Of course they exist.
Doesn't mean they represent the right, any more then your lefty loony hippie commie professor represents the left (No matter what Fly says. 👆)
The term "Alt-right" is used like the term "communist": To discredit otherwise reasonable opposition.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yeah, hundreds of Neo Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us," are a figment of imagination.**** you, trash.
The Left claim anyone on The Right is basically a Nazi or Nazi sympathiser. They do this not because they believe it or care about such a possibility, but because it is the only trick they have for pulling in the punters. They have no economic or philosophical proposition to put forward, instead it's all fear and fluff.
I'm not a Right winger, I'm an agnostic and I'm far too liberal on the personal level to feel ok with the conservatism but I absolutely detest the emotionalism (irrational and unhinged for the most part), fakeness and self-indulgence that is the bulk of Left wing politics.
If only they were as few in number as the phantom Nazi danger that they keep spamming us with.
Originally posted by MythLord
Way to move the goalpost. Adam never said the Alt-Right/Far-Right are the majority of Rightists, he merely says they exist and pose a problem. He's correct in that assertion so now it just seems like y'all are backpedaling.
Read the part of my comment that he quotes, when posting the above gif. I acknowledge that there might be *some* far right extremists (saying "more or less", softening and qualifying the sentence).
He takes this as an assertion that there are absolutely ZERO far right extremists and so posts up the gif and comments on "hundreds" of Nazis.
As I said above, the Left scare-monger and bullshit about how much of a "threat" the extreme far right is, pretending that it is like some sort of major political movement. The Left explicitly call anyone on The Right a Nazi or a Nazi sympathiser. They muddy the waters and practice staggering levels of exaggeration so as to pump out their rhetoric of "end White people" and other absurdities. These positions would be nakedly racist and absurd but for the rhetorical landscape that they create, of impending Nazi holocaust from everywhere.
The Nazi threat IS more or less a figment of The Left's imagining. And the ONLY SCENARIO in which there could even possibly be a vast Nazi uprising, is if the Left's hostile and racist rhetoric and behaviour is allowed to go unchallenged and take it's violent course further and further in to suppressing opposition.
The Left ARE FASCIST at present. It is a long tradition of Leftists to be fascistic, violence and property damage is wholly consistent with their notions of "fighting the good fight". Their delusions need to be challenged both to prevent a genuine far right threat AND to save liberal societies in The West from their cancerous political impact.
Originally posted by janus77A lot on the right are Nazi's. But I'm prepared to be open, and believe you aren't.
No, the goalposts were moved by him, in his implicit misreading of my comment.Read the part of my comment that he quotes, when posting the above gif. I acknowledge that there might be *some* far right extremists (saying "more or less", softening and qualifying the sentence).
He takes this as an assertion that there are absolutely ZERO far right extremists and so posts up the gif and comments on "hundreds" of Nazis.
As I said above, the Left scare-monger and bullshit about how much of a "threat" the extreme far right is, pretending that it is like some sort of major political movement. The Left explicitly call anyone on The Right a Nazi or a Nazi sympathiser. They muddy the waters and practice staggering levels of exaggeration so as to pump out their rhetoric of "end White people" and other absurdities. These positions would be nakedly racist and absurd but for the rhetorical landscape that they create, of impending Nazi holocaust from everywhere.
The Nazi threat IS more or less a figment of The Left's imagining. And the ONLY SCENARIO in which there could even possibly be a vast Nazi uprising, is if the Left's hostile and racist rhetoric and behaviour is allowed to go unchallenged and take it's violent course further and further in to suppressing opposition.
The Left ARE FASCIST at present. It is a long tradition of Leftists to be fascistic, violence and property damage is wholly consistent with their notions of "fighting the good fight". Their delusions need to be challenged both to prevent a genuine far right threat AND to save liberal societies in The West from their cancerous political impact.
Tell me, do you believe anyone should face prejudice due to Race or Religion?