Originally posted by leonidas
not sure sersi would have an answer for life drain tbh. i don't see her taking selene out with tp, and selene's powers also counter sersi's pretty well. i might take selene for a small majority here.
Would Selene's life drain work on an immortal? Even if there was a chance of it working, Sersi can just shield herself then physically maul Selene who is nowhere near her in terms of physical stats.
Originally posted by zopzop
I mean it's all MHO but most everything Selene can do, Sersi can do but better. Sersi's also gone up against more impressive opponents.
Originally posted by leonidas
not sure sersi would have an answer for life drain tbh. i don't see her taking selene out with tp, and selene's powers also counter sersi's pretty well. i might take selene for a small majority here.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I think Selene is better at BDSM, man.And plenty of other things, but bdsm in particular.
Originally posted by zopzop
Sersi has true TK (not like Selene's that only works on certain inanimate objects). Sersi's shields are incredible (during the Avengers/Alpha Flight/Red Guard crossover event, she shield thousands of people individually and kept them safe through an interdimensional void while telepathically communicating with Shaman who was multiple dimensions away). Her strength is ridiculous (she's taken out immortal Hercules and Giant Man). She stalemated Exodus in TP (he would wreck Selene also).Would Selene's life drain work on an immortal? Even if there was a chance of it working, Sersi can just shield herself then physically maul Selene who is nowhere near her in terms of physical stats.
selene's tk will work on pretty all inanimate objects and her magic can affect organics. selene also has shields that are strong and sersi would need to drop them to attack anyway. sersi doesn't use her powers to mindrape people though she is a strong psi. her strength varies and you're citing her best showing when all she did was fly herc up, hit him and throw him down from the air. selene has a shadow form and is partially intangible so physical strength won't cut it here. she was also mostly insane when she went against the avengers and does not resort to physical brawls to win fights. i don't see her being able to transform selene into anything. too much molecular control for selene, plus deux ex machina style magic. selene also killed all the externals and drained their power. they are also immortal--or as immortal as the eternals anyway--so there is no reason at all she couldn't drain sersi.
i think this is very close, and the most "uncounterable" ability belongs to selene.
and selene is the hotter of the 2 i think too. 👆
Originally posted by zopzop
Would Selene's life drain work on an immortal?Even if there was a chance of it working, Sersi can just shield herself then physically maul Selene who is nowhere near her in terms of physical stats.
Yes, it does, as Leo said. Selene drained the Externals, baffling everyone involved, since they are immortal.
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Granted, it's been recently retconned into them being in stasis, recovering from Selene's assault. Still, it works, even if they can recover years later.
As for a physical fight, Selene has mist form. Additionally, we've seen her completely ignore phsyical damage before. It doesn't seem to affect her the same way it does regular folks.
Originally posted by zopzop
She stalemated Exodus in TP (he would wreck Selene also).
Selene still casually mindwipe Emma, and put her to sleep.
https://m.imgur.com/a/Fq66ovI
Sure, Emma was younger, but it's the closest comparison we have.
This isn't cut and dry at all. I'm leaning towards Selene at the moment tbh.
Originally posted by leonidas
her strength varies and you're citing her best showing when all she did was fly herc up, hit him and throw him down from the air.
This isn't the first time she's owned him. She's even taken the wind out of his sails (figuratively speaking) with TK :
In terms of raw power : Sersi
In terms of physical stats : Sersi
In terms of scale of power : Sersi
In terms of TK : Sersi
In terms of experience : Seris (Selene is thousands of years old, Sersi is HUNDREDS of thousands of years old)
Show me anything Selene has done that can compare to the following feat :
Sersi individually shields THOUSANDS of people in a line stretching for a "few KILOMETERS". The shield has to : protect them from the vacuum in the Void, provide breathable air, and regulate the temperature so they don't freeze to death. While she's doing this, she's maintaining telepathic contact with Shaman who is multiple dimensions away in mainstream reality.
Here's Jeffries aka Box in the last panel on page explaining the plan with the tether :
Here's Sersi executing the plan :
And more from the same era/series.
Here's Sersi shielding hundreds of people from a dimension full of volcanoes. The heat is so bad, even the Vision's synthetic skin starts to burn after a few seconds of contact with it. Not only is she shielding them AND regulating the temperature, she's allowing Fantasma to tap into her TP to contact Shaman, AND she's helping Vision physically pull the Box armor into her force field :
Again, a feat that sh|ts all over anything Selene has done.........Ever.
you're zopping again....
leo says:
all she did was fly herc up, hit him and throw him down from the air.
zop says:
She picked him up, punched him out then flung him to the ground.
😂
thanks for agreeing. the only thing you did wrong was say she punched him out which is dumb. he cried out so he was punched out?? lol because people in comics never cry out...? 😕 please, we have no idea if he was ko'd by her punch but it seems idiotic to think so since she seemed to try and finish him by throwing him to the ground... and he did disappear, but he wasn't the focus in that issue, plus it was a good showing for her because she's powerful and would beat herc in a battle because of her powers. so...good points...?
all of which is meaningless of course because selene isn't a cl100 brick who can't fly. 😐
the feats you posted are good ones but still not sure how they are supposed to prove she wins. could selene replicate them? no. do i need to prove she can to suggest she can win this fight? no. she has enough psi power that she won't get mindraped--not sersi's style anyway. her own shields would stop tk attacks, her own molecular control keeps her from being transmuted, her shifting physical form prevents physical domination. sersi may or may not be able to counter selene's magic, but she sure as sh!t can't counter a life drain.
i'm not going to bother posting some of sersi's...lesser showings. she has PLENTY though. again, selene can counter pretty much everything sersi can throw at her, but sersi has no counter for being drained. /shrug
Originally posted by StyleTime
Emma stalemated Exodus too. In fact, Emma sat on a couch in New York and blocked Sinister, Exodus, and Lady Mastermind(Regan) from psychically attacking her teammates in Antarctica.
Show me Selene going up against a being of that level of power.
Originally posted by leonidas
you're zopping again....leo says:
zop says:
😂
thanks for agreeing. the only thing you did wrong was say she punched him out which is dumb. he cried out so he was punched out??
i'm not going to bother posting some of sersi's...lesser showings. she has PLENTY though. again, selene can counter pretty much everything sersi can throw at her, but sersi has no counter for being drained. /shrug
dude, i left nothing out:
all she did was fly herc up, hit him and throw him down from the air
i'm not saying he wasn't or was ko'd from the fall. were he ko'd by the punch that would be hilariously stupid given some of the shots he's tanked, from mjolnir to wwh. and i know he's certainly easily walked away from a LOT more than that fall as well, but fact is we never saw anything to prove it one way or the other.
and you seem to really want to make this about herc for some reason. 😕
low showings can be used to balance cherry-picking the highest outliers but i won't bother. you somehow see this as a stomp. i say it's very close and i'll take selene for a slight majority here.
Originally posted by leonidas
dude, i left nothing out:i'm not saying he wasn't or was ko'd from the fall. were he ko'd by the punch that would be hilariously stupid given some of the shots he's tanked, from mjolnir to wwh. and i know he's certainly easily walked away from a LOT more than that fall as well, but fact is we never saw anything to prove it one way or the other.
and you seem to really want to make this about herc for some reason. 😕
Her TK is so powerful she lifted millions of tons of water hundreds of feet in the air causing a mini tsunami that wiped out the Brooklyn Bridge :
Again, this dwarfs ANYTHING Selene has done TK (or otherwise).
again, so? you think she is gonna what, tk crush selene through her force fields?? i don't see that happening in any way shape or form. what's to stop selene from casting an illusion and simply draining her? her spells have fooled kulan gath. she has also used her magic to block tp, so that wouldn't be an option here. you still haven't provided any counter to life drain. her shields would protect her, or her shadow form would protect her long enough to drain sersi here and you've shown nothing to indicate otherwise.