Originally posted by leonidas
again, so? you think she is gonna what, tk crush selene through her force fields?? i don't see that happening in any way shape or form.
what's to stop selene from casting an illusion and simply draining her? her spells have fooled kulan gath. she has also used her magic to block tp, so that wouldn't be an option here.
you still haven't provided any counter to life drain. her shields would protect her, or her shadow form would protect her long enough to drain sersi here and you've shown nothing to indicate otherwise.
geezus....strawman much? why would i need to show you selene overcoming someone's molecular control....? i have never claimed selene could transmute her. and why would i need to show a magical duel? lol sersi has no magic. she doesn't need to be able to do almost anything to win this, tbh. her illusions fooled gath through much of that arc and it had nothing to do with the fact that other were fighting him. i mean wtf? the eye of agamotto even listed her as one of the beings who could be the next sorcerer supreme. she has used her magic to transmute people and changed eliphas into an ever-living vampire. all she needs to do here though is fool sersi briefly then drain her. that would serve to both weaken sersi and empower selene. there's no mindphuckery involved at all--simple illusions will do.
and a bubble? lol selene would just use magic to teleport out of it:
i like the spell she cast there too--made him believe he was on fire. lol
she doesn't even need to touch sersi to drain her. she can cast a simple spell which here depowers amara and allows selene to drain her without effort:
illusions, magic, plus all her other abilities give her enough versatility to survive against sersi's greater overall power and use the abilities sersi can't counter to beat her. no defense against life drain, no matter how many strawmen you thrown up to bury the fact. 👆
Originally posted by zopzop
Of course this is all about Herc. The same writer had him going toe to toe with Professor Hulk and tanking a sucker attack from Mjolnir by an Ares possessed Masterson Thor. And this wasn't a one time incident. She already floored him with one attack (again with him crying out in pain) with a TK enhanced backhand (which i posted earlier).Her TK is so powerful she lifted millions of tons of water hundreds of feet in the air causing a mini tsunami that wiped out the Brooklyn Bridge :
Again, this dwarfs ANYTHING Selene has done TK (or otherwise).
Let's not confuse Sersi's greater exposure for greater power. She headlined in an Avengers squad as a hero. Of course she has some nice showings to her name. Selene, in direct comparisons with other characters, fares just fine.
And Sersi still can't counter life drain...
Originally posted by leonidas
geezus....strawman much? why would i need to show you selene overcoming someone's molecular control....? i have never claimed selene could transmute her. and why would i need to show a magical duel? lol sersi has no magic. she doesn't need to be able to do almost anything to win this, tbh. her illusions fooled gath through much of that arc and it had nothing to do with the fact that other were fighting him. i mean wtf? the eye of agamotto even listed her as one of the beings who could be the next sorcerer supreme. she has used her magic to transmute people and changed eliphas into an ever-living vampire. all she needs to do here though is fool sersi briefly then drain her. that would serve to both weaken sersi and empower selene. there's no mindphuckery involved at all--simple illusions will do.and a bubble? lol selene would just use magic to teleport out of it:
i like the spell she cast there too--made him believe he was on fire. lol
she doesn't even need to touch sersi to drain her. she can cast a simple spell which here depowers amara and allows selene to drain her without effort:illusions, magic, plus all her other abilities give her enough versatility to survive against sersi's greater overall power and use the abilities sersi can't counter to beat her. no defense against life drain, no matter how many strawmen you thrown up to bury the fact. 👆
Originally posted by StyleTime
Bro, Rachel has some of best TK feats in the herald tier. She opened a blackhole, a far greater feat, yet couldn't do shit to Selene with her TK. Selene straight up overpowered her back in the day, in fact. While Rachel has grown and had a good showing against her eventually, Selene is totally in this realm of power.Let's not confuse Sersi's greater exposure for greater power. She headlined in an Avengers squad as a hero. Of course she has some nice showings to her name. Selene, in direct comparisons with other characters, fares just fine.
And Sersi still can't counter life drain...
What's more hilarious, Rachel just entered mainstream reality recently when Selene beat her. The second time Selene beat her, she took her by surprise.
Originally posted by zopzop
Bro, Rachel was a clown back in the day. Post anything impressive she did before attaining the PF during that era. I'll wait.What's more hilarious, Rachel just entered mainstream reality recently when Selene beat her. The second time Selene beat her, she took her by surprise.
Originally posted by zopzop
Oh really? Look at the version of Exodus Sersi fought and stalemated :
See that? He has Jean, Wanda, Crystal, and Pietro held helpless against their will while holding off a team consisting of Cyclops, Storm, Bishop, Gambit, etc.. He then takes them down. Then Xavier had to step in and Black Knight finished it off. This version of Exodus would devour Emma's soul.Show me Selene going up against a being of that level of power.
Magneto and Doctor Doom, together, couldn't even fight Selene without waiting until she was weakened. She was literally transporting them to random spots on the planet, nearly killed Magneto, and casually slapped Doctor Doom around.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Neat, yet Emma stalemated him. Magneto straight up beat him.
Magneto and Doctor Doom, together, couldn't even fight Selene without waiting until she was weakened. She was literally transporting them to random spots on the planet, nearly killed Magneto, and casually slapped Doctor Doom around.
Originally posted by zopzopYou realize that's not proof of teleportation right? Selene has the ability to hypnotize people and momentarily move at superspeed to make it appear like she's teleporting :
Can you post the page before this? What issue is this from. I need to see the whole thing in context. [/B]
here's the page before:
she'd been fooled by dani but it doesn't detract from the range and power of the spell. all she'd need to do is distract sersi with an illusion and drain her, almost exactly what happened with amara.
and if you think she used super speed to to appear on that ledge, and was simply outright lying in that other scan, well.... you're really trying to reach to absurd lengths to prove your point. you think she hypnotized everyone that was presnt? lol of course, i guess she could hypnotize sersi as well. that is a totally different ability from tp and i doubt sersi has any defense against being hypnotized. just one more option she could use to win this.
Originally posted by leonidas
here's the page before:she'd been fooled by dani but it doesn't detract from the range and power of the spell.
and if you think she used super speed to to appear on that ledge, and was simply outright lying in that other scan, well.... you're really trying to reach to absurd lengths to prove your point. you think she hypnotized everyone that was presnt? lol of course, i guess she could hypnotize sersi as well. that is a totally different ability from tp and i doubt sersi has any defense against being hypnotized. just one more option she could use to win this.
And let's see the scope/scale of her telepathy, here she scans the entire planet in a matter of seconds :
Show me Selene matching this. I'll wait.
jfc, why do i bother....
one more strawman. 👆 how many times do you have to be told this isn't a FEAT MATCHING THREAD. goddamn man.... if she used her tp offensively with ANY regularity i'd pick her, but she doesn't and she has VERY few really good tp feats. the SCOPE of are powers are MEANINGLESS here.
and lol at context. the spell did precisely what i showed it did. distracted teenager? lol because that changes the effectiveness of the spell. and your support that she can beat an illusion is her saying she can? sigh.... at least i showed selene ACTUALLY teleporting, and not just saying she did.
and STILL no counter for life drain. you've done an admirable job of convincing me this is weighted more heavily in selene's favor than i initially thought. 👆
Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that's not proof of teleportation right? Selene has the ability to hypnotize people and momentarily move at superspeed to make it appear like she's teleporting :
Originally posted by zopzop
Make a thread : Emma vs Exodus or Emma vs Sinister. I bet you anything the forum agrees she loses to either of them. What version of Exodus did she stalemate? The version Sersi stalemated was busting teams of Avengers and X-men.Scans? Let's see this in context.
The fight occurred over much of that issue, so I'm not posting every scan. But here's the relevant stuff.
When Magneto and Doom arrive, Doom says "she could destroy us in seconds." They even brought reprogrammed Sentinels as bodyguards, or at least that's what Magneto thought.
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Selene toyed with them most of the issue, transporting them to various points across the planet. When Magneto engaged, she shadow phased right through his shield and drained him. Then she transported them to Venice to beat on Doom some, granted Doom had some minor success with a light based attack.
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It wasn't until they were in Antartica, where her powers are at their weakest apparently, that Doom felt they had a shot. Selene said she'd still beat them regardless, and with some justification. After transporting them back to Scotland, Magneto points out she was still depleted.
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She casually dispatched Doom in spite of her weakened state. Doom says, "You're too fast. Too powerful. I cannot hope to win in simple combat."
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Magneto was double crossed and taken out by the sentinels by this point, but the fact that he felt he needed the sentinels despite her weakened state says a lot...
And to pre-empt this response, Selene does start at full power in the match. Her drawing power from ley lines seems like a permanent thing. She literally lives on one, and it seems like she'd have to be transported to Antarctica to actually depower her, due to lack of shadows.
Originally posted by zopzop
Bro, Rachel was a clown back in the day. Post anything impressive she did before attaining the PF during that era. I'll wait.What's more hilarious, Rachel just entered mainstream reality recently when Selene beat her. The second time Selene beat her, she took her by surprise.
So, things we know. Selene can pass through anything that allows light through. As far as I know, Sersi's transparent shields qualify for this. Even if they don't, Selene has phased through TK from one of the strongest telekinetics out there. Additionally, Selene can drain immortals.
Why exactly can't Selene just shadow form over to Sersi, and drain the shit out of her? You still haven't addressed this. I'm not even getting into the fact that Selene can animate fire and rock golems and such to assist her. You keep posting feats of scale for Sersi, yet Selene has overcome opponents with the same or better feats. Selene didn't headline a big book, so individual feats of scale will be hard to come by, but she outperforms people who do have those feats.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Selene can also teleport, including forcefully teleporting other people. See below.Yes, I'd expect anyone who read the issue to call her vs Exodus a stalemate, since that's what happened in the actual comic.
The fight occurred over much of that issue, so I'm not posting every scan. But here's the relevant stuff.
When Magneto and Doom arrive, Doom says she "would destroy us in seconds" in a straight fight. They even brought reprogrammed Sentinels bodyguards, or at least that's what Magneto thought.
https://postimg.cc/FfBkCNYj
https://postimg.cc/H8GcHz4nSelene toyed with them most of the issue, transporting them to various points across the planet. When Magneto engaged, she shadow phased right through his shield and drained him. Then she transported them to Venice to beat on Doom some, granted Doom had some minor success with a light based attack.
https://postimg.cc/62x4xzh3
https://postimg.cc/xqYNsxCp
https://postimg.cc/q6ktzRSH
https://postimg.cc/KKHZL5zN
https://postimg.cc/tn0pvCFn
https://postimg.cc/2bLCxBLf
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It wasn't until they were in Antartica, where her powers are at their weakest apparently, that Doom felt they had a shot. Selene said she'd still beat them regardless, and with some justification. After transporting them back to Scotland, Magneto points out she was still depleted.
https://postimg.cc/F7TPFk8mShe casually dispatched Doom in spite of her weakened state. Doom says, "You're too fast. Too powerful. I cannot hope to win in simple combat."
https://postimg.cc/k6Nc02K0
https://postimg.cc/SJPWt6HXMagneto was double crossed and taken out by the sentinels by this point, but the fact that he felt he needed the sentinels despite her weakened state says a lot...
And to pre-empt this response, Selene does start at full power in the match. Her drawing power from ley lines seems like a permanent thing. She literally lives on one, and it seems like she'd have to be transported to Antarctica to actually depower her, due to lack of shadows.
yet Selene has overcome opponents with the same or better feats.
Originally posted by leonidas
nice. that's solid stuff. hadn't seen that battle with doom. 👆
Might want to look back over my post in case you read before I fixed them.
But yeah, I'm with you on this. Originally, I was actually thinking it'd be a close fight. Zopzop has actually had the reverse effect of what he intended. The more I argue for Selene, the more I think she might destroy Sersi.
Originally posted by zopzopWTF is that art? Give me the comic name and issue #.
Who!? Aside from this Magneto/Doom fight which seems suspect as phuck. I want to look at the issue myself.
It was a goofy mini, but kinda fun. A little heavy on the Doom wanking, but hey, it's Doom's comic. I thought Mysterio and crew had charm though.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Doctor Doom and the Masters of Evil #4It was a goofy mini, but kinda fun in spots. A little heavy on the Doom wanking, but hey, it's Doom's comic.
New stories featuring Dr. Doom and the Masters Of Evil. Set in an the Marvel Adventures reality.
Originally posted by zopzop
ROFLMAO. Is it even canon?
Pathetic. [/B]
Is it non-canon? I honestly never bothered to look it up.
Not that the showing is necessary here. Sersi still runs into the same problem Leo and I keep mentioning.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
As a homosexual male Zop has faced a lot of discrimination in his day, but all that is nothing compared to being a Sersi fan
Originally posted by StyleTime
Not that the showing is necessary here. Sersi still runs into the same problem Leo and I keep mentioning.