Originally posted by dadudemon
In Chicago, yes. They make up the majority of both victims and perpetrators of violence (not just gun violence) in Chicago. The default violent offender and victim would be black. You are safe to make that assumption.Are you upset about this or just clarifying?
Clarifying. Why would I be upset?
We're also lumping gang violence in with politics? Because the MAGAbomber and the synagogue shooter were both politically motivated. I have no idea what politics motivated those shootings, aside from what I would assume would be the usual domination for turf, drugs and bragging rights that happens in gang-society.
Originally posted by Robtard
Clarifying. Why would I be upset?We're also lumping gang violence in with politics? Because the MAGAbomber and the synagogue shooter were both politically motivated. I have no idea what politics motivated those shootings, aside from what I would assume would be the usual domination for turf, drugs and bragging rights that happens in gang-society.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Both
I haven't done an analysis of Chicago to determine if there is an even higher rate of violence in Chicago, by blacks, compared to the population average. Why is this important? Because we may not be seeing a trend at all and we are just seeing the result of Chicago having a larger black population.
More succinctly, if a city as 10% black population, they have x number of violent crimes committed by the black population. Or, 1x.
Chicago is 32% black. So the number would be 3.2x. And the large number we see is just simple linear scaling.
However, without even having done an analysis, I do know from previous research that humans, not just black people, commit higher rates of violence when population density goes up (1), poverty goes up (2), education is down (3), and climate is hotter (4).
What does Chicago have compared to the US Average that can explain the black violence in Chicago?
Education Attainment among Black People: Lower that US Average +
Population Density: Higher than US Average (by a lot) +
Climate: Lower average temperature than US -
Poverty: Higher rates of poverty, especially among the black population +
1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4757021/
2. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.594.6503&rep=rep1&type=pdf
and
https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/69/3/715/2232471
3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831577/
4. https://public.psych.iastate.edu/caa/abstracts/1985-1989/89A1.PDF
So I believe I have honed in on at least 3 out of 4 common variables that explain violence problems in Chicago.
Since the violence problems disproportionately affect the black population in Chicago (in law, they refer to this as a "disparate impact"😉, this issue should be addressed with a black focus.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but the bomber didn't kill anybody. Hell as far as I know he didn't even actually HURT anybody. Ergo, he's not as bad as any leftist who has hurt someone... right?
We're fortunate the MAGAbomber domestic terrorist turned out to be incompetent. You can rate him on the good/bad meter as you wish.
Originally posted by Robtard
Clarifying. Why would I be upset?
Because you're asking clarifying questions about facts that are widely known. Pointing very strongly to the fact that you're not coming from an honest position in this conversation.
Originally posted by Robtard
We're also lumping gang violence in with politics? Because the MAGAbomber and the synagogue shooter were both politically motivated. I have no idea what politics motivated those shootings, aside from what I would assume would be the usual domination for turf, drugs and bragging rights that happens in gang-society.
Okay?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Since the violence problems disproportionately affect the black population in Chicago (in law, they refer to this as a "disparate impact"😉, this issue should be addressed with a black focus.
Question: so this means the Democrats, who portray themselves as the party of the black people, are working hard to reduce crime from and against he Chicago black people? I hate to say it...but...black lives really do matter and they are being disproportionately affected by the violence in places like Chicago.
Originally posted by Robtard
tl;dr when "Leftist" attack: there's broken windows, spray paint, an occasional busted lip, someone gets chocolate *gasp* milk poured on them. When "Rightist" attack: there's a trail of dead bodiesAs you can all see, the Left is clearly more dangerous than the Right.
Originally posted by Robtard
We're fortunate he turned out to be gun incompetent. He fired over 70 rounds and it resulted in injuries, but zero deaths.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah, like the bomber only worse cause there were actual injuries. Still, seems foolish to omit it and give the impression that the worst leftists do is break windows, spray paint, bloody lips, and poor milk on people.
I was exaggerating to mock. I'm sure you've heard it said more than once "The Left is more dangerous than the Right!" in here.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Because you're asking clarifying questions about facts that are widely known. Pointing very strongly to the fact that you're not coming from an honest position in this conversation.Okay?
I'm asking if we're making all shooting politically motivated, even when there's no clear indication?
eg Remember the Las Vegas mass shooting? That was left as "crazy has no political party". When using Pew's research that over 50 White male from a Red state would likely be a Right/Republican.
Originally posted by dadudemonCausality is always impostent and poverty and lack of life chances are always key. Black people are kept down, people may not like it but metadata generally proves it.
I haven't done an analysis of Chicago to determine if there is an even higher rate of violence in Chicago, by blacks, compared to the population average. Why is this important? Because we may not be seeing a trend at all and we are just seeing the result of Chicago having a larger black population.More succinctly, if a city as 10% black population, they have x number of violent crimes committed by the black population. Or, 1x.
Chicago is 32% black. So the number would be 3.2x. And the large number we see is just simple linear scaling.
However, without even having done an analysis, I do know from previous research that humans, not just black people, commit higher rates of violence when population density goes up (1), poverty goes up (2), education is down (3), and climate is hotter (4).
What does Chicago have compared to the US Average that can explain the black violence in Chicago?
Education Attainment among Black People: Lower that US Average +
Population Density: Higher than US Average (by a lot) +
Climate: Lower average temperature than US -
Poverty: Higher rates of poverty, especially among the black population +1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4757021/
2. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.594.6503&rep=rep1&type=pdfand
https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/69/3/715/2232471
3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831577/
4. https://public.psych.iastate.edu/caa/abstracts/1985-1989/89A1.PDFSo I believe I have honed in on at least 3 out of 4 common variables that explain violence problems in Chicago.
Since the violence problems disproportionately affect the black population in Chicago (in law, they refer to this as a "disparate impact"😉, this issue should be addressed with a black focus.