Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"The Left" called for an investigation into the allegations against of Kavanaugh. That is the definition of due process. It was Republicans who wanted to shield him from the process, almost like they were worried about what might be discovered. Weird.
I think its going to go down like this.
Kavanaugh accused means guilty, Avenatti accused innocent till proven guilt, even if proven, he will still remain a darling of the left because of his anti trump rhetoric.
The guy has to much animus for Trump to see clearly, all he cares about is the spotlight.
On top of that, hes got millions of dollars in legal bills, and settlements to his former partners and owes at least a million to the IRS.
But the media doesnt want to cover that.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think what you mean to say is the democrats obviously wanted to extend the process past the midterms so they could block Trump's appointment, and Republicans didn't want to let that happen.
That doesn't make sense. Actual change of power doesn't happen until January 3rd. The Democrats had no delusions that Kavanaigh's investigation would have taken three months.
Originally posted by snowdragon
Wow, cringy. Almost like it was one sided. 😉Due process isn't just investigating the accused.
Due process involves investigating the accusation.
And preventing the accusation from being thoroughly investigated deprives the accuser and society-at-large of due process.
The only reason one would do that, is if he wanted to shield the accused from being investigated.
Originally posted by quanchi112
👆Cnn covered this the moment it was reported.
If you google "Avenatti Arrested", you get hits on CNN, ABC, WP, NBC, NYT, USAToday, BBC, NPR, CBS. Or what Trumpers would call "The Liberal Media"
This "The media is not covering it!" by the usual (Trumper) suspects is just the standard false cries of rape.
Stormy Daniels has come out and said that if Avenatti is guilty of domestic violence, she'd fire him as her lawyer.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Due process involves investigating the accusation.And preventing the accusation from being thoroughly investigated deprives the accuser and society-at-large of due process.
The only reason one would do that, is if he wanted to shield the accused from being investigated.
Good job dancing away from investigating the accusations, due process is involved in investigating both sides.
Avenatti will be investigated to see if his statements stand up, the accuser will be investigated to make sure their claims hold some semblance of truth.
More cringeworthy bias posting. 😘
What else are they going to find? The only people allegedly present (Kavanaugh and Judge) denied it. The people Ford said were there with her had no recollection. They talked to a bunch of other people who knew them both. What else could they possibly find that would remotely amount to any evidence other than some vague character witness BS like "Oh Kavanaugh liked drinking and partying and shit" which isn't remotely enough to prove an alleged attempted rape that supposedly happened 30 years ago.
Avenatti has not wanted due process for any one of his liars he brought forth though. These women later admitted to making it up.
Now he want to be believed. Its rather ironic but then again karma is a ***** as they say.
Obviously, everyone wants him to have his "day in court" and are discounting this arrest.
The guy will do or say anything at this point to have a crack at Trump or be close to power.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
So if we had just believed all the women like the media told us to, a innocent man might be in jail.
Yeah because checking out the voracity of an accusation on the presumption there is truth to it is the same thing as being found guilty in a courtroom. It's beginning to sound like incel paranoia to me. 'Oh no, if my neighbour accuses me of rape I'm going straight to jail.' Which is precisely the kind of thinking which instead sends people running into the arms of Youtube edgelords.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Avenatti has not wanted due process for any one of his liars he brought forth though. These women later admitted to making it up.Now he want to be believed. Its rather ironic but then again karma is a ***** as they say.
Obviously, everyone wants him to have his "day in court" and are discounting this arrest.
The guy will do or say anything at this point to have a crack at Trump or be close to power.
Who cares what he wanted, he is a pos but he still deserves due process and you're a troll 😉
Originally posted by Emperordmb
What else are they going to find? The only people allegedly present (Kavanaugh and Judge) denied it. The people Ford said were there with her had no recollection. They talked to a bunch of other people who knew them both. What else could they possibly find that would remotely amount to any evidence other than some vague character witness BS like "Oh Kavanaugh liked drinking and partying and shit" which isn't remotely enough to prove an alleged attempted rape that supposedly happened 30 years ago.
Which is why he's not in jail. The system worked in this case I don't see what the problem is. She made allegations, it was investigated, no proof was found, he didn't go to prison. Seems fine to me.
Originally posted by samhain
Which is why he's not in jail. The system worked in this case I don't see what the problem is. She made allegations, it was investigated, no proof was found, he didn't go to prison. Seems fine to me.
I might add, he also became one of the most powerful people in America for a life-time appointment no less. Seems like the system worked in his favor.
Originally posted by Surtur
It's not just him...plenty on the left pulled this "gotta believe all women" bullshit. Plenty of democrats came out and said they believed Christine Ford despite no evidence or investigation.If we apply the standards of the left to this...then nah Avenatti should not be believed.
Should we allow him due process? Yes. Though I will point out his bail was set at 50 grand. You'd think they would need some sort of legit reason to set bail at that level(some people are saying this is a conservative conspiracy plot)
The problem I see with Avenati is hes just like Trump, and if people are supposedly sick of Trump, why would they even get behind Avenatti. Yet somehow he has amassed 1 million followers.
They say Trump doesn't pay taxes, avenatti owes millions in taxes, defaults and settlements to the IRS, Partners and other people.
Then he goes and sayd "only a white man can beat Trump in 2020." How can that sit right with anyone that wants him to run? Yes he really said that.
http://time.com/5435310/michael-avenatti-trump-white-male/
Third, he is just as obnoxious and full of himself as Trump even more so, everything is about him. So why would anyone want that as well?
Hes basically Trump but younger, more full of himself and a sleezy porn lawyer who only wanted to get famous and use his client to get there.
Calling me out by a name I used to go by isnt getting me in trouble, I already told Bada who I was.
I know hes not getting anywhere close to being President, its the fact he has any following at all which represents a giant hypocrisy of all his followers and people that want to see him run. Hes no different then Trump, and hes actually a real con man who doesnt pay taxes.
Originally posted by snowdragon
Good job dancing away from investigating the accusations, due process is involved in investigating both sides.Avenatti will be investigated to see if his statements stand up, the accuser will be investigated to make sure their claims hold some semblance of truth.
More cringeworthy bias posting. 😘
Who is dancing? The claim is what is being investigated. You are operating with a false equivalency, that for things to be fair, both sides need to be investigated. But there are no sides. There is only the interest of society in protecting the rights of individuals. That involves following procedures to ensure that no one—be it the accuser, society, or the accused—is unduly deprived of liberty. That means investigating a claim, and following the evidence. It is not a sport, where we vet teams.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Calling me out by a name I used to go by isnt getting me in trouble, I already told Bada who I was.I know hes not getting anywhere close to being President, its the fact he has any following at all which represents a giant hypocrisy of all his followers and people that want to see him run. Hes no different then Trump, and hes actually a real con man who doesnt pay taxes.
That wasn't the point...
Then why worry about him. If he runs, he'll come and go. Besides, Steve Bannon is the one who started with "Avenatti would be a great candidate", I suspect it's to cause chaos.
Originally posted by Robtard
That wasn't the point...Then why worry about him. If he runs, he'll come and go. Besides, Steve Bannon is the one who started with "Avenatti would be a great candidate", I suspect it's to cause chaos.
Im not worried, this situation is interesting to me. So I thought I would talk about it.
If you want maybe you can help me answer my question on why he has become so popular among the left and anti trump people when hes literally the same person if not worse. I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the situation.
Clarity would help