Originally posted by ImpedimentThey can still use magic with thoughts alone. Voldemort used magic without a wand, training, or even realizing what he was as a child. Just as a saber makes one more formidable so does a wand to a wizard but acting like they cannot perform magic without it is untrue.
Wizards need wands to do forbidden spells.No wands = no spells.
The Force needs only thought, not a magic stick.
Originally posted by ImpedimentOk and? Both possess tk so you will have to prove they disarm them.
Magic, yes, but not the killing curse or torture spells.It’s clearly evident by on screen feats that wands are needed for forbidden spells.
It is clearly evident Jedi and Sith need lightsabers to combat other comparable Jedi or Sith.
Originally posted by ImpedimentAnd the Jedi or Sith cannot do anything to block the magic if they are disarmed. It works both ways. They are not nothing since they can still employ magic just less formidable just like the Jedi and Sith.
The wizards are nothing without wands because they can’t cast the theee forbidden spells. No wands = no chance.Master Yoda and Sidious can summon Force lightning, and all can use Force choke to cripple them.
So because yoda used fl as a ghost you are really going there. Sigh. Grindelwald kills them all in blue magical fire. Voldemort shoots kill curses while Albus hurls fire.
I have proof of Voldemort deprived of air in water using magic to free himself so I can combat the force choke. If they have to defend themselves this will free from the force choke as it breaks their concentration.
Any HP character, good or bad, is useless without their magic stick. The three curse spells are the only thing that can be used for a win but it’s painfully evident that wands are needed.
Based on screen feats.
Force users don’t need wands. Only thought. TK vs TK is one thing, but no HP character can influence thought. Force users can.
Prove to me that the wizards can’t be influenced.
Hell, even the Force could hypothetically redirect a spell plasma shot from the wands.
Force TK to redirect hands/arms when aiming the spell.
Force throw sabers into heads.
Wizards eat it.
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Any HP character, good or bad, is useless without their magic stick. The three curse spells are the only thing that can be used for a win but it’s painfully evident that wands are needed.
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Only thing that be used for a win?
You seem vaguely familiar with Potter lore so I am assuming you are just unaware and really want Star Wars to win here. Ok lets proceed.
Wandless magic-was the performance of magic without the use of a wand. It could be volatile and was often difficult to perform, and could thus only be reliably accomplished by witches and wizards of great skill. Certainly applies to three of the greatest wizards of all time.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wandless_magic
More examples here, obviously.
Example 1:When Albus meets Tom he sets part of the room on fire casually without a wand. Based off how you debate on abilities he just sets them ablaze while he makes out with Gellert.
Example 2:Voldemort casually repels Potters spell with his wandless hand in the cemetery of GOF.
Example 3:Voldemort casually moves aside a giant out of his path in DH part 2 with his wandless hand.
https://wizardsandwhatnot.com/2016/...-magic-details/
Rowling herself also says some wizards do not even use wands. Originally a European invention which caught on but is not indicative of every single witch or wizards ability to use magic. It just makes the magic more precise or more formidable as I stated not impossible like your claim implied.
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Based on screen feats.
Force users don’t need wands. Only thought. TK vs TK is one thing, but no HP character can influence thought. Force users can.
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Neither do wizards as I just proved but like Jedi and sittnthe lightsabers make them more formidable and give them the power to deflect, block, parry or cut into an object or opponent.
Imperio can take over a mind. Wizards need thought just as Jedi or Sith to enact their magic just as they need to use the force.
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Prove to me that the wizards can’t be influenced.
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That is not how debating works. To disprove your claim but let me just teach you something.
Later, when Qui Gon was stranded on Tatooine, he attempted to use a mind trick on Watto in order to get him accept Republic credits for the purchase of a T-14 hyperdrive, but Watto told him that he was a Toydarian and that mind tricks did not work.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_trick
Common knowledge thus only works on the weak willed. If you want me to believe Voldemort, Albus, and Gellert are weak willed then you one are being unreasonable and your bias is too strong to get through too.
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Hell, even the Force could hypothetically redirect a spell plasma shot from the wands.
Force TK to redirect hands/arms when aiming the spell.
Force throw sabers into heads.
Wizards eat it.[/B]
Oh please with your hypotheticals. I have video proof of Albus lighting shit on fire casually without a wand you have conjecture.
Ok I hope the next time I say this makes sense. If Jedi cannot casually redirect Sidious lightsaber when attacking multiple Jedi at once what makes you think this works against a wizard when everyone has tk abilities. The reason it does not is you need to attack when someones guard is down and they are vulnerable. Just because yoda force pushed him once when his guard was done does not mean he can at will with his defenses up. The same applies to wizards who have disarmed their opponents with tk as well. That does not mean at will of someone of comparable skill and power
Originally posted by quanchi112
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Any HP character, good or bad, is useless without their magic stick. The three curse spells are the only thing that can be used for a win but it’s painfully evident that wands are needed.
Only thing that be used for a win?You seem vaguely familiar with Potter lore so I am assuming you are just unaware and really want Star Wars to win here. Ok lets proceed.
Wandless magic-was the performance of magic without the use of a wand. It could be volatile and was often difficult to perform, and could thus only be reliably accomplished by witches and wizards of great skill. Certainly applies to three of the greatest wizards of all time.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wandless_magic
More examples here, obviously.
Example 1:When Albus meets Tom he sets part of the room on fire casually without a wand. Based off how you debate on abilities he just sets them ablaze while he makes out with Gellert.
Example 2:Voldemort casually repels Potters spell with his wandless hand in the cemetery of GOF.
Example 3:Voldemort casually moves aside a giant out of his path in DH part 2 with his wandless hand.
https://wizardsandwhatnot.com/2016/...-magic-details/
Rowling herself also says some wizards do not even use wands. Originally a European invention which caught on but is not indicative of every single witch or wizards ability to use magic. It just makes the magic more precise or more formidable as I stated not impossible like your claim implied.
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Based on screen feats.
Force users don’t need wands. Only thought. TK vs TK is one thing, but no HP character can influence thought. Force users can.
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Neither do wizards as I just proved but like Jedi and sittnthe lightsabers make them more formidable and give them the power to deflect, block, parry or cut into an object or opponent.Imperio can take over a mind. Wizards need thought just as Jedi or Sith to enact their magic just as they need to use the force.
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Prove to me that the wizards can’t be influenced.
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That is not how debating works. To disprove your claim but let me just teach you something.Later, when Qui Gon was stranded on Tatooine, he attempted to use a mind trick on Watto in order to get him accept Republic credits for the purchase of a T-14 hyperdrive, but Watto told him that he was a Toydarian and that mind tricks did not work.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_trick
Common knowledge thus only works on the weak willed. If you want me to believe Voldemort, Albus, and Gellert are weak willed then you one are being unreasonable and your bias is too strong to get through too.
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Hell, even the Force could hypothetically redirect a spell plasma shot from the wands.
Force TK to redirect hands/arms when aiming the spell.
Force throw sabers into heads.
Wizards eat it.[/B]
Oh please with your hypotheticals. I have video proof of Albus lighting shit on fire casually without a wand you have conjecture.Ok I hope the next time I say this makes sense. If Jedi cannot casually redirect Sidious lightsaber when attacking multiple Jedi at once what makes you think this works against a wizard when everyone has tk abilities. The reason it does not is you need to attack when someones guard is down and they are vulnerable. Just because yoda force pushed him once when his guard was done does not mean he can at will with his defenses up. The same applies to wizards who have disarmed their opponents with tk as well. That does not mean at will of someone of comparable skill and power [/B]
No one said there is no wandless magic!
Yoda's/Sidious' TK >>>>>>>>>> Albus wandless TK!!!
Fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMeFnwsxh6s
It clearly takes Voldemort time to finish casting the fire snake! About 5s.
By the time Voldi finishes casting the spell, he will already be TK by Sidious or Yoda!!!
You are pathetic! Clearly you don't know what you are talking about!
Now I see why you are running from my challenge! 😂
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderImp said they are useless without their magic implying no wands. He also believed they cannot hurt or win without wands which is also false.
No one said there is no wandless magic!Yoda's/Sidious' TK >>>>>>>>>> Albus wandless TK!!!
Fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMeFnwsxh6sIt clearly takes Voldemort time to finish casting the fire snake! About 5s.
By the time Voldi finishes casting the spell, he will already be TK by Sidious or Yoda!!!
[B] You are pathetic! Clearly you don't know what you are talking about!
Now I see why you are running from my challenge! 😂
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How many seconds does Sidious stand there before yoda uses tk on a defenseless opponent? Do you ever think any of this through? Should I begin timing yodas reaction time against dookus attacks. Why waste it now.
What about yodas reaction times when just dodging pods, barely. He also cannot dodge anything up close like an energy attack. Oh if no one comes forward by Sunday I am going to eviscerate this nonsense. Your inferior brain will always be dumber than whoever you are up against.
As per imps powerset tactics Albus jerks off Gellert while he sets them all on fire. He makes Gellerts penis erupt as Voldemort kills Luke and Leia babies.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Imp said they are useless without their magic implying no wands. He also believed they cannot hurt or win without wands which is also false.How many seconds does Sidious stand there before yoda uses tk on a defenseless opponent? Do you ever think any of this through? Should I begin timing yodas reaction time against dookus attacks. Why waste it now.
What about yodas reaction times when just dodging pods, barely. He also cannot dodge anything up close like an energy attack. Oh if no one comes forward by Sunday I am going to eviscerate this nonsense. Your inferior brain will always be dumber than whoever you are up against.
As per imps powerset tactics Albus jerks off Gellert while he sets them all on fire. He makes Gellerts penis erupt as Voldemort kills Luke and Leia babies.
Have you counted the amount of time it takes for a laser to reach it's target? Specially at close distance!?
Clearly you are a fool!
BUTTHURT IDIOT!!!!
You've been made a fool of, again!
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderHave you seen how quickly these guys shoot an energy attack. A much slower kick disarmed Sidious than a laser. So I guess the slower return times hurling debris against yoda does not count because josh is a hypocrite. Oh you make refuting you too easy.
Have you counted the amount of time it takes for a laser to reach it's target? Specially at close distance!?Clearly you are a fool!
[B] BUTTHURT IDIOT!!!!
You've been made a fool of, again! [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
Have you seen how quickly these guys shoot an energy attack. A much slower kick disarmed Sidious than a laser. So I guess the slower return times hurling debris against yoda does not count because josh is a hypocrite. Oh you make refuting you too easy.
BUTTHURT!!!!!
SW wins! Get over it!