Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'd like an actual reason as to why it should other than "it was in Legends before". It being brought into Disney Canon should mean that it shouldn't be considered Legends, the fact that it also had its own Canon instead of C-canon(which is where everything else goes) seems like to me a placeholder before it was pulled into it.
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Movies shouldn't be canon to Legends either.
Originally posted by Galan007
So basically you think S01-S06 of TCW(along with TCW film) should fall under the Legends umbrella, but no other TCW material should(ie. no SoD, no DD, no S07)..?
Sorta. There is other TCW material that should be counted as well such as The Clone Wars comics. Basically, I think everything that was considered canon before Disney officially said that the EU was non-canon should be considered canon to Legends. So yes, TCW S1 through 6 should be considered canon but not SoD, DD, or S7.
Originally posted by ares834I can see the logic there. 👆
Sorta. There is other TCW material that should be counted as well such as The Clone Wars comics. Basically, I think everything that was considered canon before Disney officially said that the EU was non-canon should be considered canon to Legends. So yes, TCW S1 through 6 should be considered canon but not SoD, DD, or S7.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
A byproduct Lucas had a hand in creating that has been considered to be canon and legends just like the movies. 👆
Except TCW cannot fit into Legends, it fits better with the current Canon. I mean it had its own Canon instead of being branded C-canon, so it's clearly not following any material that was written before. Sure it might take little bits and pieces from Legends, but timeline wise/story and character wise it doesn't work.
Originally posted by ZenwolfSeemed to fit pretty neatly so far. And the "can't exist" reasons also seem to apply to the films as well.
Except TCW cannot fit into Legends, it fits better with the current Canon. I mean it had its own Canon instead of being branded C-canon, so it's clearly not following any material that was written before. Sure it might take little bits and pieces from Legends, but timeline wise/story and character wise it doesn't work.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Seemed to fit pretty neatly so far. And the "can't exist" reasons also seem to apply to the films as well.
Yes, it fits nicely in the current canon. Legends? Not so much, the timeline is all screwy and some characters are really different, some characters that appear in TCW cannot possibly fit into the other timeline, certain events cannot happen, so on and so forth.
Originally posted by ares834
Sorta. There is other TCW material that should be counted as well such as The Clone Wars comics. Basically, I think everything that was considered canon before Disney officially said that the EU was non-canon should be considered canon to Legends. So yes, TCW S1 through 6 should be considered canon but not SoD, DD, or S7.
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I’d put SoD on the list though, given its inception. Not a big sticking point though.
Originally posted by ZenwolfWhat would you say is the straw that broke the camel's back for you?
Yes, it fits nicely in the current canon. Legends? Not so much, the timeline is all screwy and some characters are really different, some characters that appear in TCW cannot possibly fit into the other timeline, certain events cannot happen, so on and so forth.
Originally posted by ZenwolfThe battles in there didn't have Ahsoka in them, and she wasn't important to the actual full scope of the war effort. The Mandalorians had Chee already try and explain them and they had a book to further that.
The whole series? I'm not saying I dislike the series, I really do like it. But I don't see how anyone can justify it being in the same timeline as the CWMMP and overall C-canon. It just can't be.
Anakin being a Jedi Knight was retconned though. Maul wasn't really important as well to what has been covered or war efforts. Among other things. Brainchips tried to offer an easier to swallow reason why they turned so easily.
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Higher level of canon overrides the parts that don't line up perfectly
Originally posted by One Big Mob
The battles in there didn't have Ahsoka in them, and she wasn't important to the actual full scope of the war effort. The Mandalorians had Chee already try and explain them and they had a book to further that.Anakin being a Jedi Knight was retconned though. Maul wasn't really important as well to what has been covered or war efforts. Among other things. Brainchips tried to offer an easier to swallow reason why they turned so easily.
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Higher level of canon overrides the parts that don't line up perfectly
That's not helping anything, they were still around and as far as I know also. TCW begins what...6 months or so after AOTC? So there's another issue, Ahsoka being involved throws a giant monkey wrench into what was previously established as well. Maul basically the same thing.
Anakin and Obi-Wan were basically together the whole way through within the CWMMP and she was never around when she's suppose to be Anakin's apprentice. Durge doesn't even appear and he was around both when Anakin was an apprentice and later as a Knight, Ventress didn't go all bounty hunter and all that, Sing was more than just a bounty hunter but a former Jedi Padawan.
Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't fight Dooku multiple times over the course of the CWMMP, among other things. The Mandalorians weren't pacifist pansies.
The 501st is also another issue, Anakin wasn't incharge of that Legion, from what I remember until he became Darth Vader. Before that, the 501st was just a Legion that seemed to change Generals from Mundi to Secura and they went to various planets and the like. Anakin and Obi-Wan seemed more to be of the 212th Clone Attack Battalion.
The brainchips are honestly not needed and frankly I found those kinda dumb, but they're Canon so I'll bite the bullet there.
You know what though? I'm done, apparently I can't see what everyone else sees. If you guys can somehow justify all of this into one timeline and not see it as a large mess? Then good on you, I can't and apparently I can't convince anyone else of it either.
Originally posted by ZenwolfOr...
That's not helping anything, they were still around and as far as I know also. TCW begins what...6 months or so after AOTC? So there's another issue, Ahsoka being involved throws a giant monkey wrench into what was previously established as well. Maul basically the same thing.Anakin and Obi-Wan were basically together the whole way through within the CWMMP and she was never around when she's suppose to be Anakin's apprentice. Durge doesn't even appear and he was around both when Anakin was an apprentice and later as a Knight, Ventress didn't go all bounty hunter and all that, Sing was more than just a bounty hunter but a former Jedi Padawan.
Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't fight Dooku multiple times over the course of the CWMMP, among other things. The Mandalorians weren't pacifist pansies.
The 501st is also another issue, Anakin wasn't incharge of that Legion, from what I remember until he became Darth Vader. Before that, the 501st was just a Legion that seemed to change Generals from Mundi to Secura and they went to various planets and the like. Anakin and Obi-Wan seemed more to be of the 212th Clone Attack Battalion.
The brainchips are honestly not needed and frankly I found those kinda dumb, but they're Canon so I'll bite the bullet there.
You know what though? I'm done, apparently I can't see what everyone else sees. If you guys can somehow justify all of this into one timeline and not see it as a large mess? Then good on you, I can't and apparently I can't convince anyone else of it either.
Everything that was established before wasn't a cohesive day to day schedule of events and it leaves room for things to happen in-between those lapses of time. IE Dooku fights and Ventress being an actual character with a character arc.
Ahsoka might be a tuffy to swallow, but it isn't impossible that a padawan that didn't see every battle existed. She was retconned into existing, she wasn't retroactively placed into previous events. She wasn't even really important in TCW if you think about how much she contributed to major battles.
Even TCW wasn't a fully cohesive story that excludes anything else from happening as well, IE Durge.
Unless something directly contradicts (in that case T-Canon wins), you just fit things in where ever they could fall. That's how simple it is.
It also introduced the Ones, and expanded on how exactly Palpatine rose to power.
Not sure about the 501st though not a massive change however that throws everything into question. Sing being a bounty hunter and then becoming skilled enough to beat up Jacen a bit is a lot funnier however.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Or...Everything that was established before wasn't a cohesive day to day schedule of events and it leaves room for things to happen in-between those lapses of time. IE Dooku fights and Ventress being an actual character with a character arc.
Ahsoka might be a tuffy to swallow, but it isn't impossible that a padawan that didn't see every battle existed. She was retconned into existing, she wasn't retroactively placed into previous events. She wasn't even really important in TCW if you think about how much she contributed to major battles.
Even TCW wasn't a fully cohesive story that excludes anything else from happening as well, IE Durge.Unless something directly contradicts (in that case T-Canon wins), you just fit things in where ever they could fall. That's how simple it is.
It also introduced the Ones, and expanded on how exactly Palpatine rose to power.Not sure about the 501st though not a massive change however that throws everything into question. Sing being a bounty hunter and then becoming skilled enough to beat up Jacen a bit is a lot funnier however.
I'm not saying it was day to day, but even still there's issues over the timeline. But I'm done here, if the rule is allowed then whatever. I'm more GCW era anyway, I just don't see TCW on the whole as being both Canons.
Originally posted by Galan007
If the whole of TCW + SoD are included, then Dark Disciple should be included as well, imo, as it is also a direct tie-in to the show.And what about the unreleased/unfinished TCW episodes? Weren't all of those blanketed as canon to TCW as well?
So that's 3 FOR keeping TCW, and 2 AGAINST.
Eh. My problem with having DD apart of it is that it contradicts way more Legends material then it adds. I guess you could say the same about Clone Wars, but a lot of the events that TCW retcons can fit in around those events rather then be thrown away entirely. Not so with most material including Vos.
Originally posted by ares834
Sorta. There is other TCW material that should be counted as well such as The Clone Wars comics. Basically, I think everything that was considered canon before Disney officially said that the EU was non-canon should be considered canon to Legends. So yes, TCW S1 through 6 should be considered canon but not SoD, DD, or S7.