Should TCW be allowed under the default rule?

Yes include TCW. And include SOD and DD.

I don't agree with DD tbh.

If we're going to include TCW under the Legends default here, then I like the idea of only including the material that was released before Disney restructured canonicity.

So TCW S01-S06 + the film would be usable(as would any TCW-based material released during this time.) But works that were published after the reorganization would NOT be usable. So no SoD, DD, or TCW S07. I feel like that's fair, and also makes things a bit simpler for the purposes of these discussions.

I agree with Galan.

An interesting conundrum exists when you realise SOD was canon to the continuity before the Disney takeover, as it had already been written. We know that the writers consider written but unreleased stories (Ahsoka’s stuff, Shaak Ti novel, CW episodes) as established canon unless overwritten mmm

^ Pretty sure the script for DD was written before the Disney reorganization as well.

In cases like this, it's probably best to look at when the material was actually published/released(because that's what truly matters), in which case both SoD and DD fall exclusively under Disney canon. /shrug

But I'm open to opinions.

Yeh, probably. Was more a point of how hilariously ****ed anyone who actually tries to make sense of everything via an amalgamation of the old and new rules is mmm

Shaak Ti novel?

Escape from Dagu

No, it should not. It has irreconcilable contradictions with the old material and the powerscaling is so retarded it opens the door to vehement lowballing and is just generally nonsense.

So no Disney Canon stuff at all, means no bad ass Ashsoka/Old Ben and none of the beastly Vader vs At-At and X-Wing Tk Feats... Plus we never really see him as a truly bad ass pilot.

On the plus side no Old Maul tripping over himself. And he never gets taken out by Kenobi.

Spoiler:
although Rebels Maul did have a couple of nice feats. But small ones tbh

Still meh, think this will mostly come down to KOTOR era vs others.

Honestly I think KOTOR is the main reason everyone still sticks to Legends here. Am looking forward to Canon exploring that era, so it can be discussed... you know...canonically.

Old Master Maul has really great feats 👆

If you accept TCW you accept Grievous being driven back by Ahsoka & beaten by Gungans. You have to accept Shaak Ti was outran by a clone trooper. You have to accept that Maul was disarmed by Pre Vizla. You have to accept that Dooku dies to pirates

And then

You have to accept that Grievous butchers Durge and Asajj Ventress and puts up a fight against Mace Windu. Shaak Ti takes full control of Felucia. You have to accept that Maul still sucks but is better than his Canon version. And Dooku comes close to soloing Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

And you have to MeSh ThEm ToGeThEr 0.o

Filoni said that Grievous was toying with Ahsoka, but that Dooku showing is hilarious, as was Filoni's rationale behind it. Ti and Maul do just suck that hard though.

in season 5 she briefly drives him back which honestly made me choke on thin bastard air 🙁

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Old Master Maul has really great feats 👆

There are a couple... Mainly Non-Combat related ones.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
If you accept TCW you accept Grievous being driven back by Ahsoka & beaten by Gungans. You have to accept Shaak Ti was outran by a clone trooper. You have to accept that Maul was disarmed by Pre Vizla. You have to accept that Dooku dies to pirates

And then

You have to accept that Grievous butchers Durge and Asajj Ventress and puts up a fight against Mace Windu. Shaak Ti takes full control of Felucia. You have to accept that Maul still sucks but is better than his Canon version. And Dooku comes close to soloing Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

And you have to MeSh ThEm ToGeThEr 0.o

Grievous stomping Kenobi and competing with Maul are out though.

Maul and Grievous both come out worse without SOD tbh.

I hope we accept TCW as Legends so we can keep the feat of Mace, Anakin and Obi-Wan simultaneously unable to telepathically break Cad Bane. Any semi-powerful force wielder from TOR can one-shot those three clowns together with TP, lmfao.

Galan I take it if the thread title involves Canon and Legends characters then the default is Composite.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Grievous stomping Kenobi and competing with Maul are out though.

Maul and Grievous both come out worse without SOD tbh.

don’t think so bud

a noob stomping another noob doesn’t make them anything other than a noob :/

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Galan I take it if the thread title involves Canon and Legends characters then the default is Composite.

So if a thread involved Thrawn, for example, the default would be his showings from the original Thrawn Trilogy. Not Rebels.