Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
Let us see. A farm boy with less training than Vader gets to be his equal or greater in a short time and beats the pulp out of him. He had hard time besting Kenobi and it was not until the old man let Vader kill him to motivate Luke into becoming a Jedi.
Yes, it must really suck for Vader if Return Of The Jedi is him at his peak of power.
Originally posted by Freedumb Nadd
Let us see. A farm boy with less training than Vader gets to be his equal or greater in a short time and beats the pulp out of him. He had hard time besting Kenobi and it was not until the old man let Vader kill him to motivate Luke into becoming a Jedi.
Yes, it must really suck for Vader if Return Of The Jedi is him at his peak of power.
1.He beat Vader due to the latters conflict they were equals under normal circumstances and Luke's potential is enormous.
2.He was overly caustious lol.
You also seem to be forgetting all his other achievements.
Originally posted by DarthCaedus77You also seem to be forgetting all his other achievements.
I mean, being honest, Vader doesn't have any baseline feats that compare to even an early game Galen Marek. I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he probably is capable of replicating Marek's feats as of his first mission to Raxus Prime but even that might be giving Vader too much credit according to Ant.
Still, I think he gets solid scaling above the likes of Windu and Kenobi, so I think feats like those are probably within his capabilities to replicate, regardless of if he actually scales off of an early game Marek or not.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
But then he also fought on par with Starkiller Twice, who as per you I’d the Anti-Luke except he received a decade of proper combat training.
He didn't actually. In his first fight with Galen he got ragdolled by him and in the second Starkiller was exhausted to the point he struggled to accomplish feats Anakin could around AotC.
In the first it was hard for both to find an opening in the others defence. And when Starkiller finally did it seemed to be after a bit of Dun Moch.
The ragdolling only came after a Lightsaber slash. Before that neither could ragdoll the other.
As for the second game, Jedi heal pretty quickly, especially so with a loved one in danger. And Vader was specifically noted to be fighting more cautiously than on board the Death Star. Implying he underestimated his Apprentice the first time.
In the second fight it was clear Starkiller could not overpower Vader. He did his best which was a stalemate.
Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
1.He beat Vader due to the latters conflict they were equals under normal circumstances and Luke's potential is enormous.2.He was overly caustious lol.
You also seem to be forgetting all his other achievements.
Luke's potential has nothing to do with his victories or losses. He only gets more powerful(Force related) only after the events of The Return Of The Jedi.
Yes, I said they were equals. The farm boy with tiny training compared to Vader's gets to be his equal and then Force rages through his defenses like Anakin did to Dooku. Difference being that Dooku was an old **** and Vader had artificial limbs which gave him a significant amount of physical strength to stand his position.
Anakin had to go through wars to "surpass" Dooku's skills whereas Luke did it in a short amount of time. And if we take the author's statement as valid, then Galen>Vader.
Originally posted by Meatpants
Luke seems to have some sort of intuitive talent in being able to mirror and learn an opponent's style quickly simply by dueling them or observing their technique. The exile also had that ability. She'd relearn forms she had forgotten about in a single duel.
If it was just Luke. But he had a hard time on Kenobi too.
Originally posted by Beelzebub
I mean, being honest, Vader doesn't have any baseline feats that compare to even an early game Galen Marek. I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he probably is capable of replicating Marek's feats as of his first mission to Raxus Prime but even that might be giving Vader too much credit according to Ant.Still, I think he gets solid scaling above the likes of Windu and Kenobi, so I think feats like those are probably within his capabilities to replicate, regardless of if he actually scales off of an early game Marek or not.
Based off how easily he ragdolled Kota he should scale above early Marek not that it matters. He's also better than peak Marek and I'd be willing to make a case as to why.