Women in the work place: don't hire them and avoid them

Started by Zamp14 pages

Originally posted by dadudemon
Try harder.

lol, that specific type of insurance exists and is included in most Business Insurance packages:

https://www.lockton.com/newsroom/post/how-insurance-can-protect-businesses-from-sexual-harassment-claims

haermm

It's such a common problem that it is a core-element in Business Insurance packages. haermm

Okay, so now what? Where do we go from here?

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you
Every person I have met in real life that fear interactions with women are normal men who are even kinder than normal

if these people are insured then they don't need to be scared, eh?

Originally posted by Zamp
if these people are insured then they don't need to be scared, eh?

Gosh, it's as if...as if...insurance policies have limits or something. Whatever will we do?

Edit - Saw the quote. So men afraid of getting fired due to false accusations, having things taken out of context, or being misunderstood have no business being the topic of this thread, right?

It's only about insurance and staying in business, right?

Originally posted by Zamp
if these people are insured then they don't need to be scared, eh?

Do you have medical insurance?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Gosh, it's as if...as if...insurance policies have limits or something. Whatever will we do?

Edit - Saw the quote. So men afraid of getting fired due to false accusations, having things taken out of context, or being misunderstood have no business being the topic of this thread, right?

It's only about insurance and staying in business, right?

my point stands: if the finance bros were actually concerned about spurious accusations they'd each be insured, maybe even individually (like doctors).

Thinking that being alone in a room with a woman is an invitation for a lawsuit comes from either a history of actual harassment or some sort of nonsense midwestern purity culture (like how Pence calls his wife Mother and thinks it's improper to be in a room alone with a woman).

Originally posted by Zamp
my point stands:

No, sorry, it doesn't. You needed to have one to start with. 👆

So I think you're going on the ignore list. I don't actually put people on ignore. I'll just scroll through your posts like I do Fly's. You've been relegated to "idiot" status not worth my time.

Good job!

Now go solve all of Wall Street's problems with your remarkable new ideas.

Edit - More edits! Hooray! Most states require employers have insurance. Your Wall Street bros have Business Insurance of some kind: NY requires it. 🙂

So what did we learn? I learned Zamp is a time waster and literally has no idea how to be an SJW.

lol ok

people with money don't hold on to risk if they have to

if there's a real risk of spurious lawsuits that's not covered by existing insurance then there'd be a market for it

you tell me that male employees are ostracizing female workers

two offered explanations:
1. the male employees are sexist
2. the legal system is so badly managed that even rich white men can't argue their innocence to a civil court's satisfaction, and they take no measures to secure their finances in the face of this risk

and i'm the time waster. k

Zamp makes good points. No surprise that instead of a rebuttal, ddm responds with a hissy fit. 🙁

eat

Originally posted by Zamp
my point stands: if the finance bros were actually concerned about spurious accusations they'd each be insured, maybe even individually (like doctors).

Thinking that being alone in a room with a woman is an invitation for a lawsuit comes from either a history of actual harassment or some sort of nonsense midwestern purity culture (like how Pence calls his wife Mother and thinks it's improper to be in a room alone with a woman).

Some truth in this 👆

Originally posted by Zamp
lol ok

people with money don't hold on to risk if they have to

if there's a real risk of spurious lawsuits that's not covered by existing insurance then there'd be a market for it

you tell me that male employees are ostracizing female workers

two offered explanations:
1. the male employees are sexist
2. the legal system is so badly managed that even rich white men can't argue their innocence to a civil court's satisfaction, and they take no measures to secure their finances in the face of this risk

and i'm the time waster. k

The legal system is entirely self regulated. Lawyers become judges, who make up panels that decide proprieties.

I'd argue being regulated by "one of your own" does lead to being badly managed.

Edit: This probably has nothing to do with what you're saying, the legal profession happens to be one of my pet targets.

Along with the Harvey Weinstein's.

Don't mind me.

Facts:

1. There were roughly the same number of complaints made to the (federal) Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2015 and 1994 cite
2. Federally, punitive damages are capped relative to the size of the company. (Filings under state law may not have this limit.) cite
3. People who file through the (federal) EOC are very unlikely to actually go to court - "27% of employees who file a sexual harassment charge with the EEOC and continue to pursue redress, receive any benefit”. Of these (federal) cases, "the average award is $24,700, the median award is $10,000". Importantly, “less than 1% of awards are over $100,000” cite

That third link is particularly interesting because federal surveys indicate that 5% of women and 2% of men report sexual harassment at work, but the vast majority of people do not report. Why not? Because "Past research is clear that harassment, firing and retaliation are frequent employer responses to complaints of discrimination. Our analysis shows that sexual harassment is no exception to this pattern. Sixty-eight percent of sexual harassment allegations include a charge of employer retaliation in the face of a discrimination complaint. Almost two-thirds of those filing sexual harassment charges (64%) report losing their jobs as a result of their complaint. High instances of job loss and retaliation are present across race and sex categories (Table 3).”
Here’s table 3:
[CODE]http://www.umass.edu/employmentequity/sites/default/files/Table%203.%20Employer%20Response%20to%20Sexual%20Harassment_0.png[/CODE]

These facts have one clear interpretation: reporting sexual harassment doesn’t occur at higher rates due to the normalization of feminism between 1994 and 2015, and claims of sexual harassment (including “””fraudulent””” claims) carries a major risk to the employee. Devious women looking to extract a “large” judgment from their employers risk their current income stream because it is more likely than not that they will experience retaliation. Moreover, judgments are limited by federal statute. Getting a punitive award of $300,000 by suing your employer sounds great until you realize that the complainant will find it very difficult to find a new job. 300K is not “never have to work again” money, but it might be “never able to work in this field again” money.

Given the difficult path faced by reporters of sexual harassment and the unpredictable payout, DDM’s claim that false reports are endemic clearly strains credulity. Compare this flimsy justification for ostracizing women with the simpler explanation of sexism, and you won’t have to waste any additional time listening to the complaints of mens’ rights activists.

also: @cdtm:

I'd argue being regulated by "one of your own" does lead to being badly managed.

You're right - I should have said that DDM's version of the legal system is both ineffective at detecting the truth AND immune to manipulation by rich insiders. Being cynical about the law in that particular combination is a new kind of conspiracy theory for me. But lawyers can have poor oversight b/c of their relationship with judges while still competently trying cases RE: sexual harassment.

I like the cut of Zamp's jib

Originally posted by Robtard
I like the cut of Zamp's jib

I don't. Anything she posts is either outright wrong and very easy to demonstrate why it is stupid.

She is a waste of space poster. A long-winded, SJW version of Fly.

Originally posted by Robtard
I like the cut of Zamp's jib

Fellas, I think I made him mad

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't. Anything she posts is either outright wrong and very easy to demonstrate why it is stupid.

She is a waste of space poster. A long-winded, SJW version of Fly.

I think Zamp is a 'he'. Says so in his profile at least.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't. Anything she posts is either outright wrong and very easy to demonstrate why it is stupid.

She is a waste of space poster. A long-winded, SJW version of Fly.

Don't be a Pendaran, friend. 🙂

Originally posted by BackFire
I think Zamp is a 'he'. Says so in his profile at least.

Oh, thought Zamp was a she for years, now. Zampano has never corrected me, either. I don't check profiles anymore. Too many socks jaded me.

Originally posted by cdtm
Don't be a Pendaran, friend. 🙂

I have no idea what that is.

I generally ignore people who demonstrate extreme amounts of idiocy. I ignored Firefly for about a year. He started to calm down and we got to have great conversations for a bit. But he just lost it towards the end until he rage-quit KMC. Poor guy.

Daddy is confused about who I am. I’ve got private messages from him going back years and he almost always calls me dude and then goes into some secret agent super srs bzns about how he hates Ush and Peach. (This was back when the Star Wars versus forum was having a tiff with the mods.)

There’s also some circle jerking about evolution debates from pre-2010 but nothing gendered

But of course now he’s gotta plug his ears and declare victory to save face because he got overexcited and shared his MRA propaganda in public.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, thought Zamp was a she for years, now. Zampano has never corrected me, either. I don't check profiles anymore. Too many socks jaded me.

I have no idea what that is.

I generally ignore people who demonstrate extreme amounts of idiocy. I ignored Firefly for about a year. He started to calm down and we got to have great conversations for a bit. But he just lost it towards the end until he rage-quit KMC. Poor guy.

If you don't know who Pendaran is, you're lucky. You've also never been to CBR.

He's pretty infamous, for his encyclopediac knowledge of comics, and his absolute ruthlessness in debates.

He also catalogs percieved faults, and motions for bans. Often successfully.

I've seen him accuse good posters of outright lying, because of an honest mistake. Doesn't matter that this good poster was his biggest fan. Pendaran has no friends, he has meat and allies.