Thor takes this. Zod has the powers to make it tough, but let's do a breakdown real quick:
Zod's only advantage is speed, which is debatable, as the bullrushing technique is the only time we see him use his super speed in fights (thanks to whoever pointed this out already). Thor's preferred method of fighting is always go in head-on, brawling and swinging for the fences, so Zod will be playing right into Thor's hands on that front.
Zod had limited control of his heat vision when Supes killed him, so that isn't going to help him much here. Worst case scenario is he actually bears down on Thor with it, who sustains some kind of minor injury until he blocks the vision with Stormbreaker or just throws Stormbreaker into Zod's grill, which would probably kill him.
Thor has
+ strength
+ durability by days
+ AoE attacks
+ bifrost transportation
+ fighting skill
+ far more versatility with the strongest weapon we've seen yet in a superhero movie
No brainer, Thor either gives him the business or at worst wins a moderately-challenging fight.
Originally posted by Silent MasterZod has speed feats in his fight with Superman. But All Kryptonians have super speed and perceptions. It's part of their power set.
Actually Superman is the only Kryptonian that has true combat super speed feats and he didn't get those until Justice league.
Just like all Asgardians can crumple a tactical knife. Right?
Seriously though, we know that any random Asgardian has super human strength and durability. It's part of power set.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Thor takes this. Zod has the powers to make it tough, but let's do a breakdown real quick:Zod's only advantage is speed, which is debatable, as the bullrushing technique is the only time we see him use his super speed in fights (thanks to whoever pointed this out already). Thor's preferred method of fighting is always go in head-on, brawling and swinging for the fences, so Zod will be playing right into Thor's hands on that front.
Zod had limited control of his heat vision when Supes killed him, so that isn't going to help him much here. Worst case scenario is he actually bears down on Thor with it, who sustains some kind of minor injury until he blocks the vision with Stormbreaker or just throws Stormbreaker into Zod's grill, which would probably kill him.
Thor has
+ strength
+ durability by days
+ AoE attacks
+ bifrost transportation
+ fighting skill
+ far more versatility with the strongest weapon we've seen yet in a superhero movieNo brainer, Thor either gives him the business or at worst wins a moderately-challenging fight.
Although Zod is stronger and more durable, speed is the only advantage he needs to win.
He has the ability to always beat Thor to the punch.
He can avoid any attack made by Thor.
Thor wouldn't bifrost Zod for three reasons.
1) He has to bifrost himself too
2) Zod has the speed to avoid it
3) Thor in character wouldn't think of it or choose to do it.
Otherwise we would have done it at least once against all those enemies he fought.
Thor multi directional attacks where against multiple enemies, not a single enemy (like Hela or Thanos). Thor is fighting 1 individual here.
Also Thor's power is more concentrated in a single blast than in a multi directional attack. In other words, the multi directional attack is WEAKER than a normal attack. Zod has a great if resisting Superman's HV which is far more damaging than Thor's multi directional attack.
One hit by Zod causes Thor to drop the weapon. Zod can easily prevent Thor from getting the hammer, either by continuing to stun Thor or by grabbing the hammer (or hitting it away).
Originally posted by h1a8
Although Zod is stronger and more durable, speed is the only advantage he needs to win.
He has the ability to always beat Thor to the punch.
He can avoid any attack made by Thor.Thor wouldn't bifrost Zod for three reasons.
1) He has to bifrost himself too
2) Zod has the speed to avoid it
3) Thor in character wouldn't think of it or choose to do it.
Otherwise we would have done it at least once against all those enemies he fought.Thor multi directional attacks where against multiple enemies, not a single enemy (like Hela or Thanos). Thor is fighting 1 individual here.
Also Thor's power is more concentrated in a single blast than in a multi directional attack. In other words, the multi directional attack is WEAKER than a normal attack. Zod has a great if resisting Superman's HV which is far more damaging than Thor's multi directional attack.One hit by Zod causes Thor to drop the weapon. Zod can easily prevent Thor from getting the hammer, either by continuing to stun Thor or by grabbing the hammer (or hitting it away).
Perhaps you could convince me that Zod has the speed + punching power combo needed to give Thor a very difficult time, but there is ZERO on-screen evidence for Zod having anything that can trump Thor's strength and durability, all the feats on Pete Dinklage's forge (moving the rings, Rocket's spacecraft, opening and keeping the oculus while the neutron star's energy battered him) say otherwise. And that's not even getting into surviving a Destroyer backhand with his powers removed, causing massive earthquakes and caving in large portions of ground in Frost Giant land, baiting Ultron (whose hits had no significant effect on Thor), walking through the aether tornado in Dark World that was vaporizing everything in London, Hulk ground-pounding him in the skull with multiple strikes, Hela actually stabbing him with her swords, Thanos lighting him up point blank with the power stone to the point he was just floating in space (again, no long-lasting damage when the Guardians picked him up). That's, like, MCU Thor's numero uno power: durability.That and charged hammer strikes (post-Ragnarok, fist strikes as well).
Please explain how Zod can get anywhere close to ending the fight with heat vision. He had little control over it when Cavillman ended him, and Thor can just deflect it right back at him, as we've seen Thor do in character at least twice with the Destroyer Armor and Surtur.
The bifrost flattened all the Black Order crew that was around where Thor, Rocket, and Groot landed in Infinity War. He has used it technically as an attack (or at least it has damage output capabilities), but I'll give you that Zod could dodge it if he gets outside it's range quickly. What about a charged area strike though?
Also, Thor has more experience than Zod. Oodles more. And not the "he's an Asgardian warrior that's fought for millennia" experience. I mean on-screen feats against ranged fighters, melee, H2H, super-powered blasts, super-powered sustained blasts, mystical super-swords, giant H2H fighters, armies worth of creatures, etc. Zod got wrecked every fight he was in.
Originally posted by h1a8
Zod has speed feats in his fight with Superman. But All Kryptonians have super speed and perceptions. It's part of their power set.Just like all Asgardians can crumple a tactical knife. Right?
Seriously though, we know that any random Asgardian has super human strength and durability. It's part of power set.
Correction. All Kryptonians have the ability for superspeed bullrushing. An Asgardian farmer can crumple a tactical knife. Their warriors are probably stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8
Zod has speed feats in his fight with Superman. But All Kryptonians have super speed and perceptions. It's part of their power set.Just like all Asgardians can crumple a tactical knife. Right?
Seriously though, we know that any random Asgardian has super human strength and durability. It's part of power set.
If you're so sure that you can prove Zod wins, let's BZ.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Perhaps you could convince me that Zod has the speed + punching power combo needed to give Thor a very difficult time, but there is ZERO on-screen evidence for Zod having anything that can trump Thor's strength and durability, all the feats on Pete Dinklage's forge (moving the rings, Rocket's spacecraft, opening and keeping the oculus while the neutron star's energy battered him) say otherwise. And that's not even getting into surviving a Destroyer backhand with his powers removed, causing massive earthquakes and caving in large portions of ground in Frost Giant land, baiting Ultron (whose hits had no significant effect on Thor), walking through the aether tornado in Dark World that was vaporizing everything in London, Hulk ground-pounding him in the skull with multiple strikes, Hela actually stabbing him with her swords, Thanos lighting him up point blank with the power stone to the point he was just floating in space (again, no long-lasting damage when the Guardians picked him up). That's, like, MCU Thor's numero uno power: durability.That and charged hammer strikes (post-Ragnarok, fist strikes as well).Please explain how Zod can get anywhere close to ending the fight with heat vision. He had little control over it when Cavillman ended him, and Thor can just deflect it right back at him, as we've seen Thor do in character at least twice with the Destroyer Armor and Surtur.
The bifrost flattened all the Black Order crew that was around where Thor, Rocket, and Groot landed in Infinity War. He has used it technically as an attack (or at least it has damage output capabilities), but I'll give you that Zod could dodge it if he gets outside it's range quickly. What about a charged area strike though?
Also, Thor has more experience than Zod. Oodles more. And not the "he's an Asgardian warrior that's fought for millennia" experience. I mean on-screen feats against ranged fighters, melee, H2H, super-powered blasts, super-powered sustained blasts, mystical super-swords, giant H2H fighters, armies worth of creatures, etc. Zod got wrecked every fight he was in.
The ring feat is garbage. Ice had the rings stuck. Thor braced against the force to break the ice. It could have taken 50 tons of force for all we know. Or even 1 ton.
The neutron star feat has nothing to do with Thor taking a punch in the face.
It just shows he will be resistant somewhat to hv.
Surviving a back hand (Thor almost died if it wasn't for Mjolnir) is not a durability feat. It's actually a low showing and has no bearing on this fight.
Experience is irrelevant if someone fights better and if someone is significantly fastest.
Zod is significantly faster, stronger, and more durable than Thor.
He koes Thor in little time.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
No idea why people are lowballing Zod. He would punch up Hulk worse than Thor impaled Thanos.That said, Stormbreaker Thor kills him.
To be fair, I don't believe it will be an easy fight. Zod is strong, tough, fast and more mobile.
That said, he never proved to be anything more than a brawler who's superspeed was limited to bullrushes every now and then.
Thor has more diverse attacks, better long range attacks, has AOEs, has a coat of lightning, is a far better fighter, can teleport and has a weapon that can one-shot Zod.