IW Thor vs. General Zod

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except that's not what happened is it?

They fell into a building, grappled, and Zod found himself caught in a sloppy chokehold that he couldn't get out of which is why he decided to use a cheap way out by threatening civilians with his HV.

You right. But flying through the air the way they were (before hitting the building) has no bearing on fighting skill.
Its not the same as h2h skill while standing on the ground.

But this is all irrelevant. As Zod has the speed to make up for any skill disadvantage.

Originally posted by h1a8
You right. But flying through the air the way they were (before hitting the building) has no bearing on fighting skill.
Its not the same as h2h skill while standing on the ground.

But this is all irrelevant. As Zod has the speed to make up for any skill disadvantage.

Except Superman didn't apply the chokehold in the middle of flight. They crashed on the ground and grappled while on the ground.

And yes, skill does matter in a fight. Only a complete idiot would say that it is irrelevant.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except Superman didn't apply the chokehold in the middle of flight. They crashed on the ground and grappled while on the ground.

And yes, skill does matter in a fight. Only a complete idiot would say that it is irrelevant.

Yeah, you guys are such trolls.

Originally posted by h1a8
Skill does not matter in THIS fight (stop trolling) as Zod's speed will make up for any lack of it.

I challenge you to a BZ on whether or not skill will matter in this fight. do you accept?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I challenge you to a BZ on whether or not skill will matter in this fight. do you accept?

No because It's not debatable.
Zod is far faster than Thor. Thor wouldn't be able to defend against Zod's punches or blitzes. And Zod would see any movement made by Thor to be in super slow motion.

Originally posted by h1a8
No because It's not debatable.
Zod is far faster than Thor. Thor wouldn't be able to defend against Zod's punches or blitzes. And Zod would see any movement made by Thor to be in super slow motion.

Can you show me clips of Zod throwing punches at superspeed?

Originally posted by h1a8
No because It's not debatable.
Zod is far faster than Thor. Thor wouldn't be able to defend against Zod's punches or blitzes. And Zod would see any movement made by Thor to be in super slow motion.

If it's not debatable, the BZ should be an easy win for you. so let's BZ.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Can you show me clips of Zod throwing punches at superspeed?

Zod uppercut Superman to the top of a skyscraper.
The arm speed had to be insanely fast to pull that off.
Also Zod punching Superman long distances away.

But all kryptonians have super speed and perceptions. So you asking for clips implies that Zod doesn't have super speed unless shown.

Originally posted by h1a8
Zod uppercut Superman to the top of a skyscraper.
The arm speed had to be insanely fast to pull that off.
Also Zod punching Superman long distances away.

But all kryptonians have super speed and perceptions. So you asking for clips implies that Zod doesn't have super speed unless shown.

None of which was shown to do done at superspeed. try again.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If it's not debatable, the BZ should be an easy win for you. so let's BZ.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already gave the reasons why it isn't debatable.
Winning a BZ doesn't interest me in such a matter.

No, you gave your opinion on why you think it isn't debatable. however your unwillingness to defend your reasons is proof that you know they wouldn't hold up.

A character moving in super slow motion means that skill doesn't matter. It's common sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
A character moving in super slow motion means that skill doesn't matter. It's common sense.

You have yet to prove that Zod sees the world in super-slow motion, so this is just more of your trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
Zod uppercut Superman to the top of a skyscraper.
The arm speed had to be insanely fast to pull that off.
Also Zod punching Superman long distances away.

But all kryptonians have super speed and perceptions. So you asking for clips implies that Zod doesn't have super speed unless shown.

Let me ask again: Do you have a clip showing Zod throwing superspeed punches? And please, this is a yes or no question.

https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/making-superman-fly-again-man-steel

"In addition to superhero speed they would throw punches that would minimally break the sound barrier so there would be shock waves. At the same time, they didn't want to lose the force of the punches completely in motion blur (except as a gag with Zod's partner, Faora). They added effects to it by putting mock cones on the forearms, shockwave effects when they hit blows as visual cues."

https://www.artofvfx.com/man-of-steel-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

Second source no longer exists, but the screencap still does.

https://i.imgur.com/2X88RM0.png

Zod and Clark were trading punches that broke the sound barrier in Man of Steel. Which makes sense, since we know in the film Superman has the reaction-time to maneuver in-between building while flying those speeds without crashing as seen in that very fight.

The lowballing from the people supporting MCU characters will never stop though. Which I guess is only fair, because h1 will never stop his own lowballing either. 👆

Originally posted by Silent Master
You have yet to prove that Zod sees the world in super-slow motion, so this is just more of your trolling.

1. He's a powered kryptonian. Therefore, he has super speed and perceptions.

2. He easily blocked Clark's combination of strikes.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me ask again: Do you have a clip showing Zod throwing superspeed punches? And please, this is a yes or no question.

And let's not troll. Get to the point.
Are you saying that Zod can't punch with superspeed if he wasn't shown to in using movie speed as real speed?

Here’s a clip. Look at 3:00
He blitzes and throws a fast punch and then throws an uppercut that sends Clark all the way up the skyscraper, damaging the top of it.
The distance Clark went up proves that the uppercut is at least bulletspeed.

YouTube video

Originally posted by NemeBro
https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/making-superman-fly-again-man-steel

"In addition to superhero speed they would throw punches that would minimally break the sound barrier so there would be shock waves. At the same time, they didn't want to lose the force of the punches completely in motion blur (except as a gag with Zod's partner, Faora). They added effects to it by putting mock cones on the forearms, shockwave effects when they hit blows as visual cues."

https://www.artofvfx.com/man-of-steel-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

Second source no longer exists, but the screencap still does.

https://i.imgur.com/2X88RM0.png

Zod and Clark were trading punches that broke the sound barrier in Man of Steel. Which makes sense, since we know in the film Superman has the reaction-time to maneuver in-between building while flying those speeds without crashing as seen in that very fight.

The lowballing from the people supporting MCU characters will never stop though. Which I guess is only fair, because h1 will never stop his own lowballing either. 👆

👆

Then they say I lowball.
Such hypocrites.

Originally posted by h1a8
👆

Then they say I lowball.
Such hypocrites.

You do lowball.

Show us the actual clips of him throwing superspeed punches, otherwise this is just more of your trolling.

Edit: Make sure any examples you post match up with your insistence that scenes properly show RL physics.