So let's talk Brexit

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
The people voted twice in an overwhelming majority. They wanted to leave.

I'm not sure what is to not understand about the people wanting to leave. Farage delivered. He fought for it for over two decades and won. No amount of word games and character assassination is going to change this.

lol

We are just stupid Yanks watching this all from the outside. haermm

Farage won. He got his brexit. He delivered what the people wanted.

haermm haermm haermm haermm haermm haermm

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't worry, I don't care about you avoiding the topic because your point fell flat. You might have something to talk about if I didn't point out that establishment is destroyed by establishment.

It's not like I haven't been pointing this out in previous posts. I'm consistant as a futher mucker.

teehee

Meanwhile, your arse still get Brexitted from the EU. Unless you're going to claim Scotland is no longer part of the UK, you'll submit your own referendum and break away from the UK, etc. etc. etc. Okay, great. Right now, you're brexitted.

I voted for Brexit. I've stated that on here numerous times on here. I'll vote for Scottish independence and against Scotland rejoining the EU.

The only thing consistent about your points is the consistently moving goal posts.

One minute you claim Farage is anti establishment.
Then it's anti establishment people have to be c*NTS
Then it's something about being part of AN establishment. Even if that's not THE establishment.
Then it's accepting that Farage IS part of the establishment.

Flip-flopping jibberish.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
The people voted twice in an overwhelming majority. They wanted to leave.

3 times actually. I presume you forgot about the European elections.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I voted for Brexit. I've stated that on here numerous times on here.

Good for you. So how do you feel about brexit?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I'll vote for Scottish independence and against Scotland rejoining the EU.

Great. But I don't know if that will help you (either, or). I've read a lot about this Scottish Independence and the whining about joining the EU again. I'm on the fence about it.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The only thing consistent about your points is the consistently moving goal posts.

One minute you claim Farage is anti establishment.

He is. He was against the government establishment of the EU. Make sure you don't strawman me just to try and make a terrible point. Be sure and word it right: he was anti-establishment vis-a-vis the EU. 👆

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Then it's anti establishment people have to be c*NTS

They do. Always. I've explained this, too.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Then it's something about being part of AN establishment. Even if that's not THE establishment.

Wrong. Both are part of establishments of functional power. One opposes the other. Farage was anti-establishment while being part of another establishment of power.

Sounds just like the American Revolutionaries, doesn't it? 🙂

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Then it's accepting that Farage IS part of the establishment.

You are arguing against your own point. I'll remind you to reread what you just said that makes this conclusory statement fall on its head:

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Then it's something about being part of AN establishment. Even if that's not THE establishment.

You see that? See what you just did? You readily acknowledge my points but then come up with a nonsensical conclusion to make yourself right because your supposed cogent point fell flat on its head VERY quickly.

You can be part of an establishment and be against another. And this is not a word game: I'm referring specifically to establishments of power. It's legitimately required.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Flip-flopping jibberish.

I agree - you're all over the place even contradicting yourself. Just try to do better next time, chap. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Good for you. So how do you feel about brexit?

That it would have a better outcome for the UK if we didn't have a succession of incompetent governments.

For example
They created an entirely new department of government specifically briefed to do the exit negotiations with the European Union. It was the Department for exiting the European Union headed initially by David Davis. He turned up at the first round of negotiations literally with no written notes of any description other than an empty pad for his deputy to write things down. He eventually quit after realising that everything he negotiated was then thrown out and renegotiated by Theresa May.
Then we got Dominic Raab who didn't know that the majority of trade to and from the UK went through the port of Dover. He then spent a lot of the negotiating a deal which after it was finalised he described as fatally flawed and damaging to the UK economy and trust in democracy. (He's now foreign secretary which is one of the 4 main offices of state)
The entire thing has been one long soundbite. Droning repetition of "Brexit means Brexit" and "jobs first Brexit" and "get Brexit done"
None of it has any substance at all.

Thats how we ended up with a withdrawal bill passed that is actually worse than May's deal which got voted down numerous times.

3 1/2 years and literally no further forward with any substance regarding future relationships with the EU or with any of the great deals we could supposedly do with rest of the world

Great. But I don't know if that will help you (either, or). I've read a lot about this Scottish Independence and the whining about joining the EU again. I'm on the fence about it

There are various levels of relationship with the EU that are possible that less than membership. Something between Norway's and Switzerland's would be ideal. The independence and rejoining the EU "whining" is primarily from the Scottish National Party who have dominated Scottish politics for over a decade winning every Westminster, Holyrood, European and local council election since 2009. I don't particularly like them but have to vote for them in some elections depending on the voting system which is different for each parliament (we like making things awkward)

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
That it would have a better outcome for the UK if we didn't have a succession of incompetent governments.

For example
They created an entirely new department of government specifically briefed to do the exit negotiations with the European Union. It was the Department for exiting the European Union headed initially by David Davis. He turned up at the first round of negotiations literally with no written notes of any description other than an empty pad for his deputy to write things down. He eventually quit after realising that everything he negotiated was then thrown out and renegotiated by Theresa May.
Then we got Dominic Raab who didn't know that the majority of trade to and from the UK went through the port of Dover. He then spent a lot of the negotiating a deal which after it was finalised he described as fatally flawed and damaging to the UK economy and trust in democracy. (He's now foreign secretary which is one of the 4 main offices of state)
The entire thing has been one long soundbite. Droning repetition of "Brexit means Brexit" and "jobs first Brexit" and "get Brexit done"
None of it has any substance at all.

Thats how we ended up with a withdrawal bill passed that is actually worse than May's deal which got voted down numerous times.

3 1/2 years and literally no further forward with any substance regarding future relationships with the EU or with any of the great deals we could supposedly do with rest of the world

There are various levels of relationship with the EU that are possible that less than membership. Something between Norway's and Switzerland's would be ideal. The independence and rejoining the EU "whining" is primarily from the Scottish National Party who have dominated Scottish politics for over a decade winning every Westminster, Holyrood, European and local council election since 2009. I don't particularly like them but have to vote for them in some elections depending on the voting system which is different for each parliament (we like making things awkward)

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
The people voted twice in an overwhelming majority. They wanted to leave.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
No they didn't

Hrm, blocks don't work on quotes. 🙁

But correct, they did not.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Which is exactly what Brexit is to almost half of the British people. You clearly do not believe that or else you wouldn't ask that question.

It's the hill Farage almost died on in his revolution.

In this case - from the view of tens of millions of people in the UK - it is a tremendous accomplishment done by a c*nt for good reasons, for the people, to overthrow a shitty establishment.

This statement runs antithetical to what Farage has been doing the last 20+ years and to what tens of other British people think he did.

I also didn't call him a patriot: I said he came off as American and Patriotic and clarified exactly what I meant by that in the very next sentence: "...most Americans are loud boisterous c*nts, anyway."

Here, I'll make it clearer, "F*ck yeah! The UK! We are awesome! F*ck the oppressive EU! We are freeeeee bitcheeeeeesss!" This is literally (in the most literal definition of "literally" in this particular use) what i meant by that.

As far as him ACTUALLY doing any good - despite his beliefs of his actions and despite what tens of millions of British people think of his actions - that has yet to be seen.

We will know for sure in about 5-10 years. Closer to 10 years but we should see some results in as little as 2 years. And we will have to navigate around the c*nty lies of the Remainers who will try to muddy the waters with psuedoscience to support their positions of remaining being the penultimate bestest of choices. I can't wait* to start reading cherry picked and outright lies from the remainers and having to pick through lots of piles of shit to get actual legit research about the results of Brexit.

*That was sarcasm. I don't look forward to it. I just want the research, not the narrative. Kind of like that dude doing ice-core samples who got buttmad when the hysterical climate change people use his research to support their positions. He wasn't a climate-change denier and perhaps his research support an anthropogenic model, but the hasty conclusions and sweeping generalizations did not bode well with him and he whined about it.

I... Okay then.

In all honesty, I might be behind them more if they hadn't taken so long to leave. If they hadn't whined about how they wanted to have all the benefits of being in the EU without actually being in it. If they hadn't whined about the border and threatened to **** up the Good Friday Agreement.

If they'd left when they said they would and not been such wankers about it, I might look on them more favourably.

They voted to leave? Fine. Then GTFO.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I got brexitted?

Have no idea what that even means in your brain. Nothing that makes sense, I expect.

But anyway. Here's Nigel Farage at one of those traditional anti establishment gatherings...a fox hunt

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2961959.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Nigel-Farage.jpg

I don't understand your confusion. You done got brexited bro. Now...where should I send these thoughts and prayers to?

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't understand your confusion. You done got brexited bro. Now...where should I send these thoughts and prayers to?

Again, it's like you can't even read.

I'll just send the prayers to everyone in the UK right now who is in pain over Brexit.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'll just send the prayers to everyone in the UK right now who is in pain over Brexit.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I voted for Brexit. I've stated that on here numerous times on here.

I believe you.

Get well get well soon we want you to get well.

Originally posted by Surtur
I believe you.

Get well get well soon we want you to get well.

From June 26th 2016

Originally posted by jaden101

For those who asked previously in another thread, I voted leave.

I believe you man. Those must have been tears of joy 👆

Whatever makes you sleep at night, Surt.

Oh no I'm good I got meds for that.

I'm sure there's a saying by someone about facts and feelings you're familiar with.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I'm sure there's a saying by someone about facts and feelings you're familiar with.

Indeed, the saying goes: feelings matter and that's a fact jack