Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I replied briefly to Surt about immigration from outwith the EU. It's a bit irrelevant when speaking about Brexit as the "brown" countries aren't in the EU anyway. The closest being Romania and Bulgaria.I don't think being out of the EU will change those levels because once they're in the EU either via crossing the Agean sea, via Turkey or across the Mediterranean sea from North Africa, once they're in the EU they can make it to France relatively unhindered at which point they'd still have the same obstacles in making it to the UK that they did when the UK was in the EU. There's a lot of crazy videos of them chasing after cargo trucks near Calais when the infamous "jungle" refugee camp in France still existed but that was emptied and bulldozed and they've since put large security fences on the roads leading to the port at Calais which has forced migrants into finding small boats to cross the channel instead.
https://youtu.be/syyl0gfNDRE
https://youtu.be/jvWlNsnM7eE
https://youtu.be/facdLL_Vqak
I do think there's a lot of hysteria around who these people are though. There's a narrative that Iraqi and Syrian refugees are all wannabe jihads or people scrambling for handouts and free houses and money from the UK government. Many people seem to think Syria was a shithole before the war. It was like any other country. Full of people who owned businesses or worked in jobs you see anywhere else in the world. And that's who the vast majority of these people are. In fact I'd be more concerned about the returning UK citizens among them than the Syrian and Iraqis themselves because they're the ones that chose to go and fight for terrorist groups.
As for me personally. I went to a school with about a 25% "brown" student body. Mostly Pakistani and Indian 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants from when their parents and grandparents were encouraged to come and get citizenship after WW2 and for helping staff the NHS. Mostly because they were former UK colonies and their citizens fought in quite large numbers for the allies in the war.
I go to the gym with an Iraqi Kurd who owns a security company. I go to the cinema with a Pakistani food business owner. I worked with a guy from Latvia who speaks 6 languages and has 3 masters degrees who could only get a job as a security guard and taxi driver when he first came here and is now a director of a large construction company. So personally it's never been an issue.
We're also a considerably more welcoming country in Scotland than in England. Here's an example.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands/1617477/new-figures-reveal-the-success-of-the-syrian-resettlement-programme-in-bute/
There are still areas that suffer from the same ghettoisation that happens in places particularly in northern England where immigrants are housed in the cheapest possible areas initially instead of being spread across cities. If you want immigrants to integrate you have to house them in a way that the only people they interact with everyday aren't just other immigrants.
The old people in the UK don't like all the brown men coming to the UK. That's one of the central issues with the EU membership (former, now) and refugee crap that they argued about. There is probably some unfounded hysteria around it. But there's also very well founded concerns about it as well.
My thoughts are: go take over their shithole countries and move your people there. Kick out all their brown people and move them to Britain. New country becomes UK 2.0. Now all the brown people live in the UK and the UK whites live in the shithole country. They can build a better country with their white people money. Everyone wins, right?
The new country will be larger anyway. Probably far more natural resources, anyway.