For you, Carv:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆My point is, no lightspeeder (or FTL speeder) should even notice...what was it that Carver and XLR87T3 called them, 'street-level humans?' yeah, an FTL character shouldn't even notice them.
Assuming we are power scaling, of course.
He was fast enough to draw blood.
Ra's. A normal-ish human, lol.
Edit: he also disarms her.....
Originally posted by carver9
She drew blood. She caught his sword. Then she started slapping him. Doesn't seem like something a person would do going all out.
Yeah, so what you're telling me is, she allowed herself to get cut?
I don't think you quite grasp the speed difference between a FTL speedster and a street level human, lol. EVERYTHING Ras does should be in super slow motion to her. She could parry, brush her teeth, build a desk, carve it out of wood, make a whole stack of pencils, and write her life story on that desk in the time he realises she's parried his first blow.
He shouldn't be able to disarm her of her sword. He shouldn't be able to land a single blow. He shouldn't be able to draw blood.
But he did.
According to the 'logic' of power scaling, of battle feats, this means he's strong and fast enough to duel her. A human.
Is he, IYO?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, so what you're telling me is, she allowed herself to get cut?I don't think you quite grasp the speed difference between a FTL speedster and a street level human, lol. EVERYTHING Ras does should be in super slow motion to her. She could parry, brush her teeth, build a desk, carve it out of wood, make a whole stack of pencils, and write her life story on that desk in the time he realises she's parried his first blow.
He shouldn't be able to disarm her of her sword. He shouldn't be able to land a single blow. He shouldn't be able to draw blood.
But he did.
According to the 'logic' of power scaling, of battle feats, this means he's strong and fast enough to duel her. A human.
Is he, IYO?
Lol... she chose to grab his sword. Yes, that's what I'm telling you. How do I know she chose to grab it? Well, his other swing, she split that sword in half.
I dont even know why this is being mentioned when Superman along with Flash have far worse showings, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.My point is that relying on power scaling off battles alone is a bad way to go about it, because writers don't give a hoot about power levels.
Batman can tag Zoom. Ra's can disarm WW. WW can tag Superman.
Doesn't mean they're all on the same level.
If Wonder Woman blitz Superman or move too fast for him to hit, that can NOT be ignored. Especially when she is moving so fast Supergirl didn't even see what happened or she is outright blitzing Supergirl and Powergirl to the point of them being unable to even touch her. That shows just how fast she is.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... she chose to grab his sword. Yes, that's what I'm telling you. How do I know she chose to grab it? Well, his other swing, she split that sword in half.I dont even know why this is being mentioned when Superman along with Flash have far worse showings, lol.
A cut slips through. Lol, he got past her defenses. You're crazy.
He disarmed her as well, did you miss that?
Superman and Flash also have far better showings to tell us they can go fast. Casually breaking the time barrier, crossing the universe etc.
WW....does she have the showings that aren't just power scaling ones? That's the question. As a WW fan, I'm sure you have them, right?
Originally posted by carver9
If Wonder Woman blitz Superman or move too fast for him to hit, that can NOT be ignored. Especially when she is moving so fast Supergirl didn't even see what happened or she is outright blitzing Supergirl and Powergirl to the point of them being unable to even touch her. That shows just how fast she is.
Nor can Ra's, Deathstroke, and Batman etc. Power scaling can't only work when you want it to work, Carver.
Originally posted by carver9👆
If Wonder Woman blitz Superman or move too fast for him to hit, that can NOT be ignored. Especially when she is moving so fast Supergirl didn't even see what happened or she is outright blitzing Supergirl and Powergirl to the point of them being unable to even touch her. That shows just how fast she is.
If we have an example of both of them trying a blitz, one of them stops the blitz, while the other one casually speedblitzes the other, it's certainly worth a lot.
Case I:
Case II:
Originally posted by leonidas
meh the mayfly fight was super short. hard to conclude anything from that. she was more trying to figure out who mayfly was. i thought the feat where she blocked that bullet from a sniper rifle AFTER it penetrated the window was pretty damn impressive. calculate the speed of that bullet and the time it would have covered the distance from the window to her bracelet and that a hell of a reaction feat.
Not sure what you're reading but that's not what happened.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Mayfly owns diana.
bizarro from trinity (if that's what you're talking about) did beat the hell out of her, but i've never been sure if that was canon.
It is canon. [quote;
she didn't QUITE seem as fast as hermes in combat, but it was pretty close.
cheetah is a good one, but it could be argued that cheetah too has light speed or close reaction times. we saw cheetah and superman. besides, wonder woman has given almost as well as she's taken from cheetah so that's close to a wash.
i think it can be said pretty definitively she can't travel ftl--at least not on her own though she can approach light speed. i consider her reaction speed to be light speed. there are feats to indicate they could be ftl, and some that would say otherwise. after thinking about it, i guess i'll settle in the middle. she's as fast or faster than pretty much anyone not superman or flash imo. [/B][/QUOTE]
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Superman and Flash are in league of their own speed wise.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85How many times in New 52 has Batman been that durable without armor or amps? You don't seem to know the meaning of the word "outlier", we take their average feats against all characters he fought, not just one character. New 52 Batman's best physical feat is the scans you've shown, that's not even close to being an average showing for a guy who constantly struggles against Bane and Harley Quinn.
So none of n52 WW fighting n52 Batman without holding back?Thanks.
Meanwhile, [b]I've
shown n52 Batman, without armour, whilst injured, being sucker-punched by an amped WW who is not holding back. Who is specifically trying to kill him:Can't really call it an outlier, when so far, I have shown the only time they've fought.
So going back to my original point: power-scaling is useless. If a writer wants to show it, Batman, a street, is able to fight with WW even when she's bloodlusted and amped. If a writer wants to show it, WW can tag speedsters. That doesn't mean she's faster. [/B]
Originally posted by XLR87T3
How many times in New 52 has Batman been that durable without armor or amps? You don't seem to know the meaning of the word "outlier", we take their average feats against all characters he fought, not just one character.
He was pretty durable against NoBody. Was smashing through walls and stuff. That's pretty much the only time he's been in a fight without his armour.
You were the one who asked for scans against a non holding back WW 😂 now it's against ALL characters? Lol, moving goalposts much?
My point still remains. Writers ignore power levels. Just today, Superman was punched harder than even Doomsday, and all he had was a little bit of blood.
Show me ALL the times a speedster has moved so quickly, Batman is unable to react. Give me the average. He's fought Zoom, stabbing and punching him. Outreacted Superman. GL. Fought WW. I'm sure there are Flash scans too.
Look, at the end of the day, WW isn't Ares, lol.
She is THE biggest female superhero in all of comics. One of the Big Three. Had her own TV show, film etc. Been around since the 40s. Has her own title, and guest stars in many books.
And yet, when ghostman asks a simple question, all you guys have as proof are power scaling feats??? She's fought this character, who has this feat, therefore she gets that feat too??
Come on.
What feats does she have to say she is FTL?
Too lazy to track down scans, but she did deflect Hermes lightning.
Which, given his status as super speedy messenger of the gods, is most likely not typical lightning. And even if it were, Hermes himself is still fast enough, where aim dodging would be impossible if she didn't possess sufficiant speed.