I'll post scans when i get home, but there's literally no way to argue against gaiman/carey/dematteis cosmology being integral part of dc creation
just last year, we see nabu and other lords of orders mentioned in lucifer v3, also the martian god.
elaine belloc was mentioned in dc 31st century
darkseid and justice league literally went to morpheus wedding for christ sake
dematteis and morrison both confirmed on twitter overvoid=presence=the source, they are one and the same
Originally posted by Bentley
Not only nobody knows what "Everything" means, we will also never get any sort of conclusive answer to that.
But completely unrelated stories that did not take place in one of the New 52 Universes were clearly not part of it.
Originally posted by MrMind
there are like 20 cameos not 2
And there's a brief cameo in #5 with Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter.
But this was back when Sandman was intended to be a twelve issue series. It was first when DC wanted Gaiman to continue his publication that he started to world-build, and for the remainder of the 75 issues there's not a single mention or sighting of any licensed characters.
Originally posted by MrMind
just recently in overture, planet mogo was mentioned
Originally posted by MrMind
the best you could argue is vertigo multiverse is seperate from main dc multiverse,
Originally posted by MrMind
preacher has no connection to dc canon whatsoever
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Interesting. Is it shown on panel?
yes, many times
Monitors directly use The Source and Overvoid Interchangeably
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430385027621322758/511957778622054421/unknown.png
Cronus described the Godwave/Source energy the power of the presence.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/127594/3688678-1819948804-final.jpg
the presence is the supreme entity float in the void without beginning or end
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383296672962445322/408106539044569100/RCO007_1467118280.jpg
grant morrison directly said source/god/overvoid are one and the same, just interpret and viewed differently by different cosmic pantheons
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348559042479652864/381635148183240705/Screen_Shot_2017-11-09_at_11.49.05_AM.png
different cultures and worlds are essentially worshipping the same god
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/prRiQiwD-oyFUMLE71EaHewIBnAA6NpOiMC34Z-lU9Agt8qKNNrIuVNJiFz_tquifcjY5YcVjKmn=s0
Originally posted by Astner
The story implied that the Crisis Events was what was undone by Wonder Woman's Anti-Crisis Energy.But completely unrelated stories that did not take place in one of the New 52 Universes were clearly not part of it.
Sandman #3 features John Constantin.
And there's a brief cameo in #5 with Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter.
But this was back when Sandman was intended to be a twelve issue series. It was first when DC wanted Gaiman to continue his publication that he started to world-build, and for the remainder of the 75 issues there's not a single mention or sighting of any licensed characters.
Can't remember that.
That's not the case because the Vertigo imprint had several unrelated continuities.
That's why I brought it up.
there are at least 20 times these kinda cameos happened, I'll post scans when I get home, it has happened to the point where you simply cannot ignore it. the recent vertigo dreaming book is directly tied to the ending of dark knight metal, where daniel disappeared and books were burned in Lucien's library.
I think you got it confused
the vertigo multiverse I refer to is the sandman/carey cosmology,
all the other independent title has no qualm to this discussion and they are not canon
vertigo stuff that are canon
animal man, doom patrol, swamp thing, sandman, lucifer, watchmen etc
vertigo stuff that are not canon
100 bullets, preacher, v for vendetta etc
you can't group veritgo altogether, some are canon some are not
Originally posted by MrMind
there are like 20 cameos not 2just recently in overture, planet mogo was mentioned
the best you could argue is vertigo multiverse is seperate from main dc multiverse, but it will still be within the bigger dc omniverse
sandman cosmology is very closely tied to dc, there's literally no way to seperate it
preacher has no connection to dc canon whatsoever
death metal 1 has recognized again presence is the supreme being of dc, vertigo and dc have the same supreme being
The Lord's of chaos (Dr. Fate) were also shown in current series of Lucifer.
Originally posted by Astner
But completely unrelated stories that did not take place in one of the New 52 Universes were clearly not part of it.
what does this statement even mean, pre-crisis and post crisis are both canon to the main continuity, they are not part of the new 52 universes
new 52 universes is just a local multiverse part of dc's bigger omniverse
Every multiverse is preserved in the wider DC Multiverse
Originally posted by AstnerDarkseid, J'onn, and Batman were all present at the funeral of Morpheus, iirc.
But this was back when Sandman was intended to be a twelve issue series. It was first when DC wanted Gaiman to continue his publication that he started to world-build, and for the remainder of the 75 issues there's not a single mention or sighting of any licensed characters.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't know. If he had time to prepare, I feel like he could have offered more.Talk about dumb posts...
The CW shows and Gotham are widely held as the worst live action TV shows. Marvel is a more successful franchise and those are facts. Marvel has better movies that’s also a fact. I appreciate some DC things like ‘Titans’ and ‘Joker’ although it’s not really connected a stand-alone.
None of the DC shows made waves among casuals. Many casuals even non comic reading women, LOVED the Netflix shows. Because they are objectively better whether you like comics or not. Period.
Originally posted by Astner
Sandman #3 features John Constantin.And there's a brief cameo in #5 with Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter.
But this was back when Sandman was intended to be a twelve issue series. It was first when DC wanted Gaiman to continue his publication that he started to world-build, and for the remainder of the 75 issues there's not a single mention or sighting of any licensed characters.
Que? I just recently had the audiobook, and in the first GN is chock full of cameos - Dr Destiny, Batman, Etrigan etc.
Anyway, Wiki has a list of cameos:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_(comic_book)
