Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I never figured he'd get better, but he just keeps getting worse. Like child tier vindictive.

I thought it was bad before, but now it's just sad. Bet Rage misses Fraction now.

The only good thing he did here is save Odin in this event, by making him depowered. But, even so...

Originally posted by Philosophía
Wednesday is 'dicks out' day.

You know it's bad, when abhi doesn't even bother to make a Cul vs Superman [blind, kryptonite poisoned and only able to use one hand] thread.

I don't take pleasure in telling I told you so [since I like both you and Damborg], but --- if there's one thing that's certain, is that writers will always double down.

The Action Comics #1 car is literally a plot point in Bendis' Superman. And Silver Age Justice League is blatantly shown on-panel:
https://i.imgur.com/tsmwXSM.jpg
Manhattan clearly shows that Superman is the same guy, from 1938 to now, only shifted in time.

And current attosecond perceiving, one-page moon rebuilding, so fast he goes through time running, phantom zone shaking, galaxy leaping, 'my x-ray can stop the UV corps planets' energy projecting, 'omni-temporal speed force/olympus/gl spectrum solar-system moving beings' tanking etc. etc. soon to be Manhattan/Wolrld Forger fighting version is closer to Pre-Crisis than many want to admit.

as far as battle forums, dc characters are never going to get composite feats from pre-crisis till now, that would make it too lopsided

marvel characters only advantage against dc are their feats quantity. because they don't have reboot

take that away, it's game over

Superman himself doesn't really need to Pre-Crisis feats anymore -- maybe somewhere around early-mid 2000s [excluding Imperiex arc] he'd be considered as not that much above the rest, but once we got past Infinite Crisis [when Johns brought back much of the Pre-Crisis history], then Final Crisis [when Morrison basically made him unbeatable] - up to now - you can argue virtually anything with his feats.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Thor will get one good feat at the end of this event, so it will all be forgiven by many 👆 This reminds me of your parody post from a while back, to paraphrase something like "yeah, it sucks so much...I mean, Odin beating Celestials haha, this is so bad .. I mean it's good, but so bad!" to showcase the Thorbag mentality.

The only good thing he did here is save Odin in this event, by making him depowered. But, even so...

Still, it's funny how the only people getting killed or losing are Asgardians. Loki, Odin, Odin and Frigga together, Thor, Cul, Valkyrie.

The only one "alive" out of that is Thor. The whole event is kind of a haze for me, but I'm 90 percent sure no character outside of a Thor related character has even been knocked out besides Venom... who's being coaxed into killing Asgardians. The threat is huge.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman himself doesn't really need to Pre-Crisis feats anymore -- maybe somewhere around early-mid 2000s [excluding Imperiex arc] he'd be considered as not that much above the rest, but once we got past Infinite Crisis [when Johns brought back much of the Pre-Crisis history], then Final Crisis [when Morrison basically made him unbeatable] - up to now - you can argue virtually anything with his feats.

I think people just have a hard time accepting Superman being at trans tier, he's closer to Superboy Prime and King Thor level, than he is to Thor, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter

What fts put him at trans tier level? Also, name the fights he has won.

Carver: gotcha. That bring said, what about [insert Hulk feat]

Originally posted by One Big Mob
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Still, it's funny how the only people getting killed or losing are Asgardians. Loki, Odin, Odin and Frigga together, Thor, Cul, Valkyrie.

The only one "alive" out of that is Thor. The whole event is kind of a haze for me, but I'm 90 percent sure no character outside of a Thor related character has even been knocked out besides Venom... who's being coaxed into killing Asgardians. The threat is huge.

the whole leadup was him killing different races and them jumped to his side.
asgard been destroyed and when mangog ****ed up the bridge it cut asgardia off
all that was left was earth.
every god Maliketh has on his team hate asgard and odin with all here heart
the war itself actually started (comic run 1-6) on midgard

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with him there, Albert?

Alberto, not Albert. He's not of Germanic origin.

The rest of his name you can find in his username, allowing you to stalk him on social media sites.

#NotAStiltJokeThisTime

Originally posted by Galan007
Morrison is still on a different level when it comes to how he writes Superman. There is literally nothing his Superman cannot do.

But that's because Morrison views Superman as the ultimate hero

and honestly does superman even need precrisis feats anymore? seems like hes more powerful now then hes ever been

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the ultimate hero in what way?and do you think that translates into how he writes superman?

Morrison: "It all derived from Superman. I mean, I love all the characters, but Superman is just this perfect human pop-culture distillation of a really basic idea. He's a good guy. He loves us. He will not stop in defending us. How beautiful is that? He's like a sci-fi Jesus. He'll never let you down. And only in fiction can that guy actually exist, because real guys will always let you down one way or another. We actually made up an idea that beautiful. That's just cool to me. We made a little paper universe where all of the above is possible."

-Supergods

As powerful as Snyder is writing Superman, I have this gut feeling that he's just doing all of it to appease Morrison on some creepy level. I feel like Snyder is Morrison's biggest fangirl.

"sci-fi jesus"😂

In All-Star Superman, Morrison wrote Superman to be more powerful than he is under normal circumstances. So Morrison's normal Superman should be a bit under that.

The problem with Superman is that his powers aren't particularly versatile compared to the Silver Surfer, and when you get to that level the ability to punch really hard loses its significance.

except superman has way better feats than surfer in every decades for the past 50 years

lol martian manhunter is versatilie too

Originally posted by Astner
In All-Star Superman, Morrison wrote Superman to be more powerful than he is under normal circumstances. So Morrison's normal Superman should be a bit under that.

The problem with Superman is that his powers aren't particularly versatile compared to the Silver Surfer, and when you get to that level the ability to punch really hard loses its significance.

Originally posted by MrMind
except superman has way better feats than surfer in every decades for the past 50 years

lol martian manhunter is versatilie too

Like what?

Originally posted by Astner
The problem with Superman is that his powers aren't particularly versatile compared to the Silver Surfer, and when you get to that level the ability to punch really hard loses its significance.

A good cure for this is to pick up some comics once in a while.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not even All-Star Superman can top the way Superman was written in Final Crisis and Superman Beyond, imo.

Grant Morrison is possibly the only writer that's made me consider splitting Superman up in to Morrison and non-Morrison versions for the board. As ridiculous as the likes of Loeb and Bendis might be, none of them even come close to the "Superman is the embodiment of the idea of the protagonist, but is also an idea that can punch you in the face" kind of shit that Morrison trots out when he writes the character.

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I'm surprised how much I've been enjoying Doomsday Clock. I really didn't expect to.

So did Cul get depowered after Fear Itself?