Comic Book Questions & Discussion

the odin force by it's definition is skyfather in nature

But Thor sucks as its user.

we see that displayed in Odin, King Thor, or Thor with portion of OF has fought the destroyer, bor etc

DoomDestroyer. Prototype.

Bor who? Dude with 1 good showing? Whose all other showings suck ass? Dude who couldn't KO Daken, but could kill Thor with one punch if not for Odinforce? That dude...?

Thor (without OF) already has superior feats when dealing with big threats, whether it was serpent, or the void

Serpent that was mythbusted as nothing but a fat snake.

Void? He had the entire teams backing him up and the Norn Stones. GTFO.

Thor (without OF) still holds winning record in head to head fights against Hulk, so far.

He doesn't. That's the worst lie in your entire posting history.

Thor will always be the big gun that deal with the cosmic threats. I don't see hulk ever fighting beings on the level of Black Winter or Galactus.

You mean when he had the combined powers of OF and PC...

... something which he no longer has.

Hulk can never deal with a god blast

Godblast is a myth.

As "legit" to use as Superman's Torquasm-Vo bullshit.

Originally posted by MrMind
the odin force by it's definition is skyfather in nature
we see that displayed in Odin, King Thor, or Thor with portion of OF has fought the destroyer, bor etc
Thor (without OF) already has superior feats when dealing with big threats, whether it was serpent, or the void
Thor (without OF) still holds winning record in head to head fights against Hulk, so far. Hulk has been catching up but he has not yet surpassed it.

Thor will always be the big gun that deal with the cosmic threats. I don't see hulk ever fighting beings on the level of Black Winter or Galactus.

the one time Hulk gave Thor a concussion, Thor was unworthy
Thor is worthy once again but with Odin's power, the power to destroy galaxy if use it at full force

Hulk can never deal with a god blast, Hulk can never deal with bfr (as an amped version of him got beat into space in fear itself)
Hulk can never deal with getting transport to another dimension

Thor is simply more powerful more versatile

Thought Hulk temporarily defeated a bigger threat, The One Below All. Even the writer himself stated this.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What ways?

Soul drain? Arguable if it would even work as even savage hulk has soul resistance feats.

Energy absorption? Hulk has become way too resistant to that.

The fact that even with Odin force he needs backup damages Thor's rep beyond repair.

They will never be on par ever again. Hulk is the Superman to Thor's Shazam.

Battle board fans will bend over backwards to handwave Thor's bad showings against Hulk in comics but editorial opinion has been set for over a decade now.

When was the last time that Thor was treated as the big gun in a conflict when hulk was available to do the job?

We literally just saw Vector BFR Hulk.

Why can't Thor do the same? There we go. Easy

Originally posted by 8swords
1. makes me realize how easy it is for cap to persuade people.
2. why hulk? i mean rulk didnt matter much and he got his shit kicked in.
3. was hulk ever relevant in the fight?

3. Despite carver's lies, he was not relevant at all. Cyclops and Emma were able to have a psychic dinner whilst Xavier tried attacking them mentally and everyone else tried attacking them physically. And the duo weren't even cutting loose.

Lord Rogers prayed to Hulk like to an Elder God.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We literally just saw Vector BFR Hulk.

Why can't Thor do the same? There we go. Easy

Vector > Thor

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lord Rogers prayed to Hulk like to an Elder God.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When he had 50%, him and Emma were having a psychic dinner, whilst Xavier was fighting them mentally, and the X-men (heavy hitters like Storm etc) PLUS the Avengers (Thor/Rulk/Hulk etc) were fighting them:

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Note the last scan. They weren't even using their full power still.

spiderman beating half of the phoenix force >> hulk trying to smash (but fails) half the phoenix force then

Originally posted by 8swords
spiderman beating half of the phoenix force >> hulk trying to smash (but fails) half the phoenix force then

Tbf, it was more a high showing for Spidey's durability - he just egged them on to fight each other iirc. They took each other out.

Magik/Colossus had 20% of the Force EACH (or maybe 25%, I forget whether Namor had been taken out by then). Scott/Emma had 50% each.

Main point being, Hulk wasn't relevant.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Your memory can't be that short.

Even Pre-Crisis Supes, who supposedly was his most powerful version, got blitzed by Grundy's barrage of punches...

Yeah, but that's not what you said. You said "only Clark".

Emphasis on "only".

Grundy has held his own if not outright beaten most of the JSA, and at least half the JLA. He's even gone up against the likes of various Flashes and Marvels. Him doing well against Superman isn't a low feat for anyone.

I think we should just agree Batman is herald level.

Tbf, though, at least the comics have tried to explain the different versions of Grundy:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We literally just saw Vector BFR Hulk.

Why can't Thor do the same? There we go. Easy

Literally no one considers BFR an actual winning technique.

It's just a way to avoid combat.

Yeah, Thor can surely easily avoid a fight with the Hulk, but he sure can't kick Hulk's ass.

I consider it a perfectly viable winning tactic.

A coward's words. 😘

Imagine if Holyfield got Tyson bfr'd by goading him into getting arrested. Would he feel like he won a fight?

If Superman could BFR himself and all of Earth easier than trying to BFR Doomsday, he would.

Same goes for any BFRing party. It's an expedient tactic of avoiding a fight you can't directly win.

A win is a win 😠

But if Holyfield uppercutted Tyson out of the ring, I'd be pretty impressed.

If the BFR victim is unable to have the skill or speed or strength to avoid the BFR, then it's a win.

In comics, when WWH BFRd Monet (I think it was - 'go be invulnerable in New Jersey'😉 no one questioned it. Or when he let Juggernaut run away.

Cloak, Spot, Manifold et al....it's just a tactic. Going fisticuffs with the Hulk might be 'brave'.....I call it stupid, because at the end of the day, I acknowledge that the Hulk is dangerous in h2h.

Originally posted by Bentley
Vector > Thor

Seems like Hulk let that happen.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
A coward's words. 😘

Imagine if Holyfield got Tyson bfr'd by goading him into getting arrested. Would he feel like he won a fight?

If Superman could BFR himself and all of Earth easier than trying to BFR Doomsday, he would.

Same goes for any BFRing party. It's an expedient tactic of avoiding a fight you can't directly win.

This. It's a punk move and it doesn't display who is more powerful or who could win in a fight. It absolutely does nothing but show that you're a coward. Zeus beating Hulk to near death is MUCH more impressive than waving a hand removing him from the battlefield because you're "scared" and yes, rushing to bfr someone does show that you're scary.

So when WWH BFRd Monet, he was scared I suppose...

Oh wait, different circumstances. Agreed - my point being that it absolutely does not mean cowardice.

Coward Hulk?

No!

Because hitting someone so hard they go flying is the same as opening a portal eh?

It shows tactical thinking and speed of action, at the very least.

But are you saying Thor can't hit Hulk hard enough to lift a....1? 2 ton Hulk and send him flying?