Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol, even Mongul decided to kill Superman who basically is powerless, Superman still stalemated Mongul in strength for a while......I wonder what Carver will say about this
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought that was a mental illusion using Manchester's powers.
Regardless he'll say Mongul is weaker than Alfred on opiates.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought that was a mental illusion using Manchester's powers.
Here is the guy who is using Manchester's powers, which appeared to creating a giant Monster and it engaging with it's enemies
https://ibb.co/p1VyZXX
https://ibb.co/PCH7kRw
It also mentioned he wanted Superman to live and what he was trying to crush is other people
'(to OMAC) Break him. Keep him(Superman) breathing, if you can. The others are mine'
https://postlmg.cc/bdJx4NSY
Then, after defeating OMAC,Mongul appeared, he also mentioned the personal conversation about killing Superman and changed his mind
'Old Chaytil was right, It seems.Best to kill you after all.'
https://postlmg.cc/JDTbtSvW
https://postlmg.cc/V5VqwQXq
The last issue Mongul's personal conversation about killing Superman
https://ibb.co/nzk16Tp
A little retrospect for SBP's magic immunity history
His magic immunity first appeared in Infinite Crsis. When Black Adam tried to use magic to attack. Said attacks only tickles him
https://ibb.co/5jQygj6
https://ibb.co/GQTdj7J
Later, he states Zauriel's sword can't hurt him due to it is magic
Fastforward to Final Crisis
Again, the same effect we saw when Mordru tried to use magic attack SBP. The magic only tickles him, depsite Mordru who is a Skyfather himself was backed by magic of an entire universe
https://ibb.co/FxV8920
https://ibb.co/X5yW0m6
https://ibb.co/mTrvc70
Furthermore, the bio also confirmed SBP's body is immune to magic/magic can't affect his body
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Though this maybe trivial now, I still decide to post itSBP bio's further cemented his magic immunity( Or extremely high magic resistance that basically is magic immunity if you factor in Shazam run)
"Unlike Superman, Superboy-Prime's body is not affected by magic"
https://ibb.co/zh74knc
https://ibb.co/bskm6vq
https://ibb.co/JF9kQbp
https://ibb.co/whTtSmmFrom DC Comics Ultimate Character Guide
Post-Rebirth, in Shazam series Shazam and Black Adam needed to combine their lightning powers to knock out SBP
https://ibb.co/g4zmVPB
https://ibb.co/Q8wrkkM
https://ibb.co/JvXYgFp
And now, we all know that Black Adam's lightning powers *can* be very potent, It even knocked out Pariah who was stated to be more powerful than Darkseid or The Empty Hand
Of course, I'm not suggesting SBP is more powerful than Darkseid or The Empty Hand. However, given the history magic almost *no* any effect on SBP and the potent of Shazam/Black Adam's lightning, I think it is safe to the SBP's showing in Shazam series definitely wasn't a low showing per se
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998Fastforward to Final Crisis
Again, the same effect we saw when Mordru tried to use magic attack SBP. The magic only tickles him, depsite Mordru who is a Skyfather himself was backed by magic of an entire universe
https://ibb.co/FxV8920
https://ibb.co/X5yW0m6
https://ibb.co/mTrvc70
This actually was before Kinetix(I think her name was) died giving Mordru that universe of magick she had.
I want to say though she attacked SBP too to no avail (and think he killed her) but am unsure.
Originally posted by Delta1938
This actually was before Kinetix(I think her name was) died giving Mordru that universe of magick she had.
And SBP laughed Mordru's attacks is in issue number 2 page 20
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Could you post the scans? The last time I checked, Mordru made the 'magic of the entire universe' statement is in issue number 2 page 8And SBP laughed Mordru's attacks is in issue number 2 page 20
I'm unable to get scans(can't open them in tabs to send for some reason) but I'll send you the issue in a PM. But it happened in #4 with Kinetix and it was actually someone else who said the details of what Mordru got.
@Delta1938
Hmmmm, I think you confused the Chronological order
In issue 2, Mordru made(page number is in the scan)
Later, SBP laughed Mordru's attacks(page number is in the scans)
https://ibb.co/X5yW0m6
https://ibb.co/mTrvc70
Kinetix attacked SBP, but magic doesn't affect SBP. SBP killed Kinetix and Mordru absorbed her magic powers in issue 4 page 13-15
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
@Delta1938Hmmmm, I think you confused the Chronological order
In issue 2, Mordru made(page number is in the scan)
Later, SBP laughed Mordru's attacks(page number is in the scans)
https://ibb.co/X5yW0m6
https://ibb.co/mTrvc70Kinetix attacked SBP, but magic doesn't affect SBP. SBP killed Kinetix and Mordru absorbed her magic powers in issue 4 page 13-15
I was responding to this--
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Fastforward to Final CrisisAgain, the same effect we saw when Mordru tried to use magic attack SBP. The magic only tickles him, depsite Mordru who is a Skyfather himself was backed by magic of an entire universe
https://ibb.co/FxV8920
https://ibb.co/X5yW0m6
https://ibb.co/mTrvc70
He didn't have Kinetix's power at the time SBP laughed his Attack off.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I was responding to this--He didn't have Kinetix's power at the time SBP laughed his Attack off.
Ah, I know the confusion. What Mordru absorbed is the universe of Kinetix( I.e Universe-247) not our universe
Brainiac summoned the legion which Kinetix was a member of in issue 2
https://ibb.co/jyqB03D
https://ibb.co/s3NFmyx
' I already burned your whiskers off in the universe *MY* legion calls home'
https://ibb.co/s9PynYL
And Mordru absorbed the magic of her universe
'Mordru's gained the magic of all of *universe-247*'
https://ibb.co/fxn2tb2
IOW, in issue 2, Mordru had all magic of his universe, and in issue 5, Mordru had magic of two universeS
However, Mordru didn't attack SBP when he had magic of two universes
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ah, I know the confusion. What Mordru absorbed is the universe of Kinetix( I.e Universe-247) not our universeBrainiac summoned the legion which Kinetix was a member of in issue 2
https://ibb.co/jyqB03D
https://ibb.co/s3NFmyx' I already burned your whiskers off in the universe *MY* legion calls home'
https://ibb.co/s9PynYLAnd Mordru absorbed the magic of her universe
'Mordru's gained the magic of all of *universe-247*'
https://ibb.co/fxn2tb2IOW, in issue 2, Mordru had all magic of his universe, and in issue 5, Mordru had magic of two universeS
However, Mordru didn't attack SBP when he had magic of two universes
Oh, I didn't know(or at least remember) he had the magick of his universe so thought you meant Kinetix.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Oh, I didn't know(or at least remember) he had the magick of his universe so thought you meant Kinetix.
Yeah, LOTW storyline is confusing as phuck if you don't know the legion history....Which itself is also a mess. I still remember the experience when I first read it 🙁
Anyhow some more detailed explanation.
When Geoff was writing TLOSH, he retconed(or de-retconed?) the previous multiple rebooted legion versions into three different universes in Action Comics 864
https://ibb.co/Cwgb4mZ
https://ibb.co/7r8h5Db
https://ibb.co/F8Xygp5
And Kinetix is from the second legion/universe-247
https://ibb.co/JxmLNFf
https://ibb.co/xGPCkrK
The Mordru in LOTW is the first legion/ the one that appeared in Justice League of America 148/ the Prime Universe
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, LOTW storyline is confusing as phuck if you don't know the legion history....Which itself is also a mess. I still remember the experience when I first read it 🙁Anyhow some more detailed explanation.
When Geoff was writing TLOSH, he retconed(or de-retconed?) the previous multiple rebooted legion versions into three different universes in Action Comics 864
https://ibb.co/Cwgb4mZ
https://ibb.co/7r8h5Db
https://ibb.co/F8Xygp5And Kinetix is from the second legion/universe-247
https://ibb.co/JxmLNFf
https://ibb.co/xGPCkrKThe Mordru in LOTW is the first legion/ the one that appeared in Justice League of America 148/ the Prime Universe
FYL was unfortunately left out of LOTW. No Laural Gand, no Kent Shakespeare, no Glorith.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, LOTW storyline is confusing as phuck if you don't know the legion history....Which itself is also a mess. I still remember the experience when I first read it 🙁Anyhow some more detailed explanation.
When Geoff was writing TLOSH, he retconed(or de-retconed?) the previous multiple rebooted legion versions into three different universes in Action Comics 864
https://ibb.co/Cwgb4mZ
https://ibb.co/7r8h5Db
https://ibb.co/F8Xygp5And Kinetix is from the second legion/universe-247
https://ibb.co/JxmLNFf
https://ibb.co/xGPCkrKThe Mordru in LOTW is the first legion/ the one that appeared in Justice League of America 148/ the Prime Universe
Yep, I'm aware, except I can never remember the universe designation for Kinetix's Legion so just say Post-ZH.