Originally posted by cdtm
So, if you had heralds level abilities and wanted to be rid of Logan/Wade/Plastic Man types, how would you do it?I'm thinking the tried and true method of dumping them into the sun. It probably wouldn't kill them, but that just means they can go be immortal burning up in the sun forever.
Deadpool will find a way to come back and humiliate you, guaranteed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Herald level abilities are so broad, as it includes time travel.Just kill them before they got their powers, simple. Or if mutant, just turn the X-gene off.
Has anyone ever tried doing the Xgene thing to Logan?
Seems like something The High Evolutionary should be able to do. Wanted to say Sersi, but matter manipulating and gene manipulation are two different things, right?
Originally posted by cdtm
Has anyone ever tried doing the Xgene thing to Logan?Seems like something The High Evolutionary should be able to do. Wanted to say Sersi, but matter manipulating and gene manipulation are two different things, right?
If someone can manipulate matter at a low enough level there's no reason they shouldn't be able to manipulate genes in and of itself. Whether a writer thinks this way or not is another thing.
Originally posted by cdtm
Has anyone ever tried doing the Xgene thing to Logan?Seems like something The High Evolutionary should be able to do. Wanted to say Sersi, but matter manipulating and gene manipulation are two different things, right?
Happened dozens of times to the whole X-Men team. In one story, High Evolutionary was involved, as you tried to guess.
Dying from adamantium poisoning is a really long process; he won't be affected instantly, if that's what you're counting on.
And he doesn't need it in order to pop his claws:
As for killing him --- it's a viable method, but only if you make sure the x-gene gets disabled for good --- that's a tricky part, as it tends to reset & turn itself back on.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Happened dozens of times to the whole X-Men team. In one story, High Evolutionary was involved, as you tried to guess.Dying from adamantium poisoning is a really long process; he won't be affected instantly, if that's what you're counting on.
And he doesn't need it in order to pop his claws:
As for killing him --- it's a viable method, but only if you make sure the x-gene gets disabled for good --- that's a tricky part, as it tends to reset & turn itself back on.
Huh.
Wonder if you can extend this to other things. Like say, making Supermans Kryptonian genes human. Or keep him from converting solar energy.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Happened dozens of times to the whole X-Men team. In one story, High Evolutionary was involved, as you tried to guess.Dying from adamantium poisoning is a really long process; he won't be affected instantly, if that's what you're counting on.
And he doesn't need it in order to pop his claws:
As for killing him --- it's a viable method, but only if you make sure the x-gene gets disabled for good --- that's a tricky part, as it tends to reset & turn itself back on.
Unless he was then transmuted into Chanel No.5.
Anyway, time travel. Simple.
Originally posted by cdtm
So, if you had heralds level abilities and wanted to be rid of Logan/Wade/Plastic Man types, how would you do it?I'm thinking the tried and true method of dumping them into the sun. It probably wouldn't kill them, but that just means they can go be immortal burning up in the sun forever.
Not sure about Plastic Man... but the sun would disintegrate Wade completely.
Which of course wouldn't kill him, if Thanos' Curse was still active --- he would probably just regenerate from a spit in his beer mug or stuff like that 😂
And you could argue same thing would happen to Wolverine back when Lazaer was not letting him die.
Originally posted by cdtm
Huh.Wonder if you can extend this to other things. Like say, making Supermans Kryptonian genes human. Or keep him from converting solar energy.
Anything can happen, as long as the writer wishes so and editors allow him to proceed.
But as Pr noted the other day, Kryptonians actually have a different physiology than humans, including internal organs.
So, "humanizing" Supes wouldn't be as easy as one might think.
Mutants *are* humans, just evolved. So, it's easier.
Originally posted by cdtm
Huh.Wonder if you can extend this to other things. Like say, making Supermans Kryptonian genes human. Or keep him from converting solar energy.
Superman has resisted this, and a random Kryptonian overcame it with a little extra sunlight. Red Kryptonite, at least close to FLASHPOINT, was shown as green Kryptonite going through a red radiation cloud that altered Gene's. Superman resisted this cloud when teleported into it (while an amped Ultraman succumbed) and a random Kryptonian was changed by red Kryptonite but after a little extra sunlight reverted.
But if the character has powerful enough manipulation, then sure. Comics.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then there's the time someone tried to transmute him into salt, iirc. They were twins?
A couple IIRC. This was when Gog weakened him injecting him with liquefied Kryptonian (previously when he fought Weapons Master, he got stabbed in the shoulder with a probably regular knife, shot multiple times with regular 9 MM Parabellum rounds, and almost drowned) and his powers were even randomly turning off. They still couldn't change him.
Also Pre-CRISIS the JLA origin had the.....Applaxians or whatever the name was. They transmuted others, including the WW and J'onn. Superman resisted it, and even when exposed to Kryptonite transformed slower IIRC, and reverted to normal when the Kryptonite was removed despite still being in range of the transmutation effect.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless he was then transmuted into Chanel No.5.
Reminds me how Daken was actually briefly resisting Molecule Man's powers 😂 But yeah.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyway, time travel. Simple.
As seen in Killing Made Simple one-shot:
Of course, for guaranteed success, would need to be done before Elizabeth got pregnant, to prevent the Itsu-Daken scenario.
Speaking of time manipulator heralds
Which tier would you guys place Sakuya Izayoi from Touhou series? I personally would place her at low herald, considering her high-tier space/time manipulation, but she lacks physical feats. She basically is a normal human without her high-tier space/time manipulation which makes me view her as a Mirror Master type, very haxxed characters but lack durability/speed
A relatively accurate respect thread I found on the internet for her
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/frq17i/respect_sakuya_izayoi_touhou/
Notes:
1)The 'Extends the length of a night' feat isn't a time-manipulation, it was due to the translator didn't know the word '時刻'(clock of time) was defined by Zun different from '時間'(time) for some reasons because Zun(Touhou series creator/writer) likes to make things as confusing as ****
https://ibb.co/Ky3LyrR
https://ibb.co/Xz2mYLq
2) The limit of 'she's not skilled enough to stop time for other people' has some context in it
The story started with the protagonists tried to investigate an incident of people disappearing/missing. Sakuya became one of suspects due to her time manipulation powers(time stop to kidnap other people). So it was possible Sakuya just made this shit out of her ass to avoid trouble, given she once carried a chupacabra in time-stop, she also can throw a time suspension field and make her opponents be time-stopped etc
3) I think the respect thread forgot to include Sakuya also is able to make objects intangible/dematerialize
https://ibb.co/mhPbXTL
Originally posted by cdtmthrow them in a black hole.
So, if you had heralds level abilities and wanted to be rid of Logan/Wade/Plastic Man types, how would you do it?I'm thinking the tried and true method of dumping them into the sun. It probably wouldn't kill them, but that just means they can go be immortal burning up in the sun forever.
The problem with time travel is all the continuity reboots.
Beyonders wipe everything out, and Molecule Man and Franklin recreate them one at a time. So does this mean recreating the past timeline in detail?
Like, if you go back, can you go back to when the Beyonders were breaking the universe? Can you watch them actually breaking it? Or is that culled out like a broken tape spliced together, or what?
Originally posted by Delta1938
What if they used time travel and trickery to get this result?/lxL9dl1zR0o
mmm
Seeing how he is believed to be the reincarnating warrior with connections to Mesopotamian pantheon, that Futurama thing could actually happen, if writers wanted so.
Originally posted by cdtm
Doesn't Doom have like a bazillion time machines?Goes back and sabotage the O-Ring seals to the Four's shuttle.
The problem with time shenanigans is that you'll probably just end up creating an alternate timeline by doing so.
But - again - depends on the whims of the creative team.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
mmmSeeing how he is believed to be the reincarnating warrior with connections to Mesopotamian pantheon, that Futurama thing could actually happen, if writers wanted so.
The problem with time shenanigans is that you'll probably just end up creating an alternate timeline by doing so.
But - again - depends on the whims of the creative team.
I remember reading about Doom inventing a device specifically to avoid alternate timelines though. Actual changes to the timeline.